So, what is it that you like about this Novus Ordo gem? The style or the substance?
Posted on 01/25/2005 2:58:28 PM PST by csbyrnes84
Ping!
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You have it backwards newbie.
Another person under 45 discovers Catholicism.
Ping!
Another priest returns to Tradition..
The novus ordo contains substance over style? That's a new one on me. Let's see, altar girls, liturgical dancers, colored banners over the altar, old ladies with big old wooden crosses on necklaces giving out communion in casual clothes....
Pope Pius XI in his encyclical, Quas Primas, said that Jesus Christ is not only the Lord of every individual, but also of every human society. The Syllabus of Errors of Blessed Pius IX, #77, in particular, exposes the error of separation of Church and State, a doctrine now upheld by the Vatican as the ideal, using both the Second Vatican Council’s Declaration on Religious Liberty, which could very easily have been called the Declaration of Religious Liberty (reference to our Declaration of Independence intended), as well as individual decisions from the Vatican to accelerate such a separation in what were otherwise thoroughly Catholic countries, such as, among others, Colombia, 98% Catholic. The orientation of the Church is now very much in line with the principles of the French Revolution, namely liberty, fraternity, and equality. Hence, the mainstay catchwords from the Council—religious liberty, ecumenism, and collegiality. That is not a coincidence, and it is evil. The Liturgy is just one of the many lambs to be slaughtered along the way towards a Christian Democracy, which, to the dismay and shock of many in the Church, will lead directly to the worldwide takeover of Atheistic Communism [...]
Right to the point. It is heartening to know someone can see through the fog.
Separation of church and state is wholly foreign to Catholicism. Nor is it mandated by our constitution. It is time the Church spoke about it before it is driven to the catacombs.
He obviously couldn't take it anymore and with good advice and counsel went where he could practice his Faith the way he knew was right. Our prayers in support of him....
So, what is it that you like about this Novus Ordo gem? The style or the substance?
Right -- it's not like Christ founded the Church on the rock of Peter and his successors or anything, or that there is any legitimate hierarchy or magisterium or authority in the Church. It's all ME, ME, ME -- what I say is Catholic is right, forget the magisterium and the deposit of faith. After all, Luther and Calvin said we have the right to private judgment.
This is absolute nonsense. The Vatican does not hold up separation of Church and State as an ideal. In fact, the new Catholic Catechism vigorously reaffirmed the doctrine of the Social Kingship of Christ and cited Quas Primas and Immortale Dei.
2105 The duty of offering God genuine worship concerns man both individually and socially. This is "the traditional Catholic teaching on the moral duty of individuals and societies toward the true religion and the one Church of Christ."30 By constantly evangelizing men, the Church works toward enabling them "to infuse the Christian spirit into the mentality and mores, laws and structures of the communities in which [they] live."31 The social duty of Christians is to respect and awaken in each man the love of the true and the good. It requires them to make known the worship of the one true religion which subsists in the Catholic and apostolic Church.32 Christians are called to be the light of the world. Thus, the Church shows forth the kingship of Christ over all creation and in particular over human societies.33
30 DH 1 § 3.
31 AA 13 § 1.
32 Cf. DH 1.
33 Cf. AA 13; Leo XIII, Immortale Dei 3,17; Pius XI, Quas primas 8,20.
I choose to exercise my priesthood in the way intended by Almighty God
What is the way intended by Almighty God?
But their profession of fidelity to the Vicar of Christ is vain in those who, in fact, do not cease to violate the authority of their Bishops. For "by far the most august part of the Church consists of the Bishops, (as Our Predecessor Leo XIII of holy memory wrote in his letter of December 17, 1888, to the Archbishop), inasmuch as this part by divine right teaches and rules men; hence, whoever resists them or pertinaciously refuses obedience to them puts himself apart from the Church. . . On the other hand, to pass judgment upon or to rebuke the acts of Bishops does not at all belong to private individuals -- that comes within the province only of those higher than they in authority and especially of the Sovereign Pontiff, for to him Christ entrusted the charge of feeding not only His lambs, but His sheep throughout the world. At most, it is allowed in matters of grave complaint to refer the whole case to the Roman Pontiff, and this with prudence and moderation as zeal for the common good requires, not clamorously or abusively, for in this way dissensions and hostilities are bred, or certainly increased." (St. Pius X, Tribus Circiter 9)
Pray for this specifically, every day. Target these people. In your morning offerings, make the specific request that in addition to all else, that the offering of your day may bring one more priest, one more bishop, even one more cardinal out of the heresy of the new theology. Ask for it specifically: that they be purged of all traces of the synthesis of all heresies.
Ask Our Lady to grab them by the ear, rip them out of harm's way, and set them on fire for the defense and protection of Holy Mother Church, for the salvation of souls and the conversion of sinners.
Want a real New Springtime? It's up to you, right now.
Do something useful for a change.
That was a 'useful' response.
What about bishops who violate the authority of the Bishop of Rome, the Vicar of Christ?
Is John Myers included therein?
"By constantly evangelizing men..."
We don't do that anymore. Nice lip service text... too bad the actions aren't there to back it up.
"...the Church works toward enabling them "to infuse the Christian spirit into the mentality and mores, laws and structures of the communities in which [they] live."
Christian spirit? This ambiguous word can mean just about anything anyone wants it to. We've got spirit. Yes, we do. We've got spirit, how 'bout you? Rah rah rah hurray the new springtime blah blah blah, etc., and stuff. Why not use some other word. Dogma? Doctrine? Anything.
"The social duty of Christians is to respect and awaken in each man the love of the true and the good."
Duh.
"It requires them to make known the worship of the one true religion which subsists in the Catholic and apostolic Church."
There's that goofy subsistence theory again. It'll be a fine day when some future pontiff drives a stake through the heart of that heresy.
"Christians are called to be the light of the world. Thus, the Church shows forth the kingship of Christ over all creation and in particular over human societies."
Weak. I like how it states it as if it's actually a fact, that indeed, right now, the Church is actively engaged in showing "forth the kingship of Christ over all creation and in particular over human societies".
Fact is, it isn't right now. It's losing what little influence it had left.
You believe this is an upholding of the social Kingship of Christ? This is mealymouthed lip service, too afraid to speak raw truth to a world that is soaked in the heterodox, anti-Catholic principles of modern democratic societal structure.
No, this isn't anything close to a reaffirmation of the Catholic doctrine that the aims of the state and the aims of the Church are to be in complete alignment, with the former governing the temporal affairs of men, while subservient to the latter, which governs the eternal and final end of man.
You know what that means. That means society needs to be Catholic. Like it was before liberal principles ripped Her from Her right and honor.
Try the above. Then, go back and try the "useful" one.
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