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Corin, if you choose to believe that your system, in which YOU are the author of your own salvation, in which you are "smarter" than the neighbor down the street who rejects Christ because you somehow "get it all figured out" that salvation is a nice thing and he doesn't, then fine.

But, I would not say that makes God happy.

It makes God a respecter of persons because mental capacities to understand the goodness of God will differ under your system.

Under Calvinism, God makes everyone equal at the bottom of the ocean due to their sin. He then chooses, of his grace alone and not based on anythig in the person, to save some for his glory. Everyone is equal and he chooses to save some out of pure grace. That is amazing.

You obviously think that is unfair, but I think it is not evil for God to show mercy to whom he pleases and keep in teh dark those whom he chooses not to save. You need to read Romans 9. It is abundant grace for Him to even save anyone.

And frankly, it is more unfair and frankly, evil and out of character of God to let people choose to come to faith (despite being dead in sin and unable to see any good in godly things). This creates two classes of people: the dumb and the smart. The smart come to faith and use their brains, while the dumb do not. They don't have the mental capacity to see goodness in God and come to faith. And why do they not come? God made them inferior in their head to the 'smart' ones who do see goodness in God.

Frankly, sir, that is what Arminianism ultimately believes in the end. And it is blasphemy.

I don't.

So there.

True (other than Corin choosing to believe his system--he has been appointed to it, hopefully for a time and not permanently). Expanding on that, a speech that can't create anything, a speech that is supernatural but not divine, can't save those who don't understand it: the mentally handicapped, babes, those in comas, the uneducated, the inattentive, etc... and there is only one Divine gospel/Word of God/Jesus Christ for everyone. Sin through free willers has to do some serious twisting of their own speech/itself to answer how those who cannot 'intellectually assent' to what they say is God's non-divine, non-supernatural 'holy information offer' are saved--and this in the middle of supposedly being outraged that God doesn't newly create everybody as real, literal new creation in Jesus Christ with no discrimination. Sin through the free willers is hypocritical and contradictory even in their own emotional economy.

Luke 1:39-42 And Mary, rising up in those days, went into the hill country with haste, to a city of Judah, and entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elizabeth. And it came to pass, as Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, and cried out with a loud voice and said, Blessed art *thou* amongst women, and blessed the fruit of thy womb.

In the Name of Jesus Christ, amen

And frankly, it is more unfair and frankly, evil and out of character of God to let people choose to come to faith (despite being dead in sin and unable to see any good in godly things). This creates two classes of people: the dumb and the smart. The smart come to faith and use their brains, while the dumb do not. They don't have the mental capacity to see goodness in God and come to faith. And why do they not come? God made them inferior in their head to the 'smart' ones who do see goodness in God.

the fallacy of your logic is that your argument assumes the non-Calvinist claims a certain level of intellect is required to be able to come to a saving knowlege of Jesus Christ. That is simply not the case. I know of some very intellectually limited people who understand enough about the Gospel message and have accepted Christ as their Savior. I also know some very intelligent people who have not. As Christ said, even a child can understand that He is the Savior. Obviously there are not two classes of people, at least not as you claim must exist for a non-Calvinist position to be true.

Frankly, sir, that is what Arminianism ultimately believes in the end. And it is blasphemy

The old Blasphemy Card, eh?

Do you have a scripture that defines believing that one can or must choose to exercise faith as "Blasphemy"?