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To: Jehu

Go back and read some of his cut and paste drivel then. He deserved the slap upside the head. I am an accomplished engineer and for someone to lecture me about the Law of Conservation of Mass/Energy is ludicrous,

B: THere's precious little evidence from you that you're accomplished in anything except as a vertiable fountain of ignorance w.r.t the natural world. Most accomplished engineers that I know, and I know a bunch, particularly at JPL, are aware of the use of Genetic Algorithms in circuit design. You haven't kept up with times.

B: Here's another example for you:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg15621085.000

B: Now lets all watch while Jehu tries to tell us how this circuit was designed, even though nobody understands how it works. THis should be fun.



but what is worse he was in error in his little lecture, there is no "per se," in proved physical law.

B: ROFL. I merely pointed out that while energy can't be destroyed, it can be converted into mass. Most people don't know that. If you understood that, then bully for you! I'm not sure why you want to make a big deal out of it. But hey, whatever floats your boat.



I will reserve "per se" for evolution, since it has the most rickety mathematical scaffolding of any scientific theory.

B: Actually, I think its mathematical underpinnings are well founded, and well studied. Thats why engineers who are actually accomplishing something use Darwinian methods to design circuits which best human designers, even though how the circuit works is not understood. I don't know about anyone else, but I find that like way cool.


And some of the better critics and growing enemies of this "theory," are mathematicians!

B: You mean ignorant ones. According to them, results such as in:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg15621085.000 would be impossible. Who should I believe? Them or my own two eyes? Every mathematical work I've seen which purports to show Evolution is mathematically impossible is based on a mathematical model which has nothing to do with evolution. They all seem to start with the assumption that evolution occurs via purely random processes. Which of course, is simply not true. Mutation is random with respect to fitness, natural selection is not. NS is not random, but harnesses the randomness in the same manner as a genetic algorithm.

B: THe hallmark of a great theory, is that it results in the creation of whole new fields. TOE certainly has done that. Stochastic hill climbing methods and immunology are but two that owe there existence to Darwin. Doesn't that just bake your noodle?



Who demand accuracy and specifics. Not the unbelievable evolutionist's practice of throwing shit

B: Profanity is unnecessary.

on the blackboard and seeing what sticks "Punctuated Equilibrium indeed!"

B: Actually solutions from Genetic Algorithms in the course of their development actually do show something like PE behavior, in that the solution won't change much during the course of several iterations, and then bam, rapid change.

B: Methinks you doth protest too much.


910 posted on 12/21/2004 8:05:20 PM PST by bigdakine
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To: bigdakine
What you cannot get into your wooden head is you are trying to disprove I.D. by a computer program that was designed by someone intelligent...unless it was written by you, which would then make me believe that random meaningless noise could produce something worthwhile.

Far as math goes, you give me something like Maxwell's equations which describe the electromagnetic force with sheer elegance...that describe the force? field? particles? great sucking sound? great pumpkin? of evolution, kay?

None of this population statistics and the other nonsense that explains NOTHING, that evolutionary biologists trot out as meaning anything. Some equations that can be worked with specific inputs and produce SPECIES! Or what? Maybe it is all too complex for that? What would that be called?...a process that is too complex to be described mathematically, what could we call that? Something Special? Hmmmm ( cue tone of SNL Church Lady)

I am glad most of you idiots don't design bridges or anything useful.
925 posted on 12/22/2004 3:39:38 PM PST by Jehu
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