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To: Thatcherite
How many insects and fish on the ark please?

No fish. What is the problem with insects? a few thousand species would be sufficient.

How do you explain the light from distant supernovae that never occurred if the universe is young?

Dunno. My suspicion: Light begins at infinite speed and decreases exponentially toward 'c.' TORel says that light travels at the same speed regardless of spatial frame of reference but, we have no way of knowing if it is constant over time as we have only observed it with any precision for a few decades.

No such experiment

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Experiments in the Colorado State University
Large scale experiments required the resources of a laboratory with the latest technology. Having read their reports on sedimentology, I contacted Colorado State University in the USA. This led to a series of experiments conducted in their modern hydraulics laboratory at Fort Collins. Pierre Julien, a sedimentologist, was in charge of the experiments. They took place in large glass-walled flumes, which allowed observation and filming from above and through the sides of the tanks.
Different sized particles of sand were poured into water circulating in the flume. Variations in current velocity caused the particles to be sorted according to size. At 1 m/s superposed laminae formed laterally in the direction of the current. A reduction of velocity to 0.5 m/s caused larger particles to collect on the previous laminae, always migrating in the direction of the current. An increase in velocity back to 1 m/s caused laminae similar to the previous ones to form, mainly due to friction, on top of the stratum of larger particles. The accumulation of sediment produced a deposit consisting of the downstream part of the lower laminae, part of the sloping stratum of larger particles, and the upstream part of the upper laminae. Each individual deposit formed successively downstream and was therefore younger than the one before it. Variations in current velocity, as found in rivers and oceans, could thus cause deposits to form both vertically and laterally at the same time in the direction of the current.
The flume experiments further demonstrated the mechanical nature of stratification, whereby: (1) Particles segregated according to their size when transported by a current of variable velocity; (2) Desiccation, or drying out, of deposits caused bedding partings; (3) Stratification of the deposit, under both dry and wet conditions, formed parallel to the slope of the deposit, which could exceed 30°.5"

Fossilisation... rare event... "Why are there few fossils of modern fish?" a much tougher one for anyone who doubts evolution or supports the idea of flood geology.

What are your referring to, specifically?

788 posted on 12/21/2004 9:11:56 AM PST by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: derheimwill
How many insects and fish on the ark please?

No fish.

Not good enough. The flood must have been saline or clear. Most fish species could not survive a year in the wrong type of water (and their food sources all require the right salinity too). The post-flood deposition event posits massive stirring of the water.

What is the problem with insects? a few thousand species would be sufficient.

How bizarre. You reject something you call macroevolution, yet you think that a few-thousand species of insect could diverge to between 2M and 30M species within 4? thousand years. In any case, how did 8 people care for even a few thousand insect species with their manifold dietary, heating, humidity etc requirements for a year?

How do you explain the light from distant supernovae that never occurred if the universe is young?

Dunno. My suspicion: Light begins at infinite speed and decreases exponentially toward 'c.' TORel says that light travels at the same speed regardless of spatial frame of reference but, we have no way of knowing if it is constant over time as we have only observed it with any precision for a few decades.

"Dunno" is not good enough when you are proposing bizarre mechanisms for relatively simple observed phenomenae. Your suspicion is disproved as follows: Time dilation works on distant observed events as predicted from their red-shift and a constant lightspeed.

No such experiment

(snip long description of experiment)

And this experiment explains the geological column (including fossilised burrows and inserted complete coral beds and some layers of fine powdery particles that take years to settle) how?

793 posted on 12/21/2004 10:04:57 AM PST by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: derheimwill
Fossilisation... rare event... "Why are there few fossils of modern fish?" a much tougher one for anyone who doubts evolution or supports the idea of flood geology.

What are your referring to, specifically?

I will leave it as an exercise for you to ponder why the total lack of modern forms in the fossil record (below the very uppermost strata) is a problem for flood geology and a vindication for the ToE. Not that flood geology needs any more problems as it predicts nothing, is inconsistent with observed reality in too many ways to enumerate quickly, and would require numerous miracles to even come close to working.

802 posted on 12/21/2004 10:43:09 AM PST by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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