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To: Pan Paniscus
You're saying that my argument fell because of something you assume... Are you aware of what happens when you assume that matter can be created during inflation. I'll let you know this much you're making a "this" out of you and me.

"Where does the force come from? "

This is a simple enough answer. The only place a force could from is a force that exists outside the scope of the universe. That force is the god, or in my personal belief "God," that I have been writing of.


Seriously PP I appreciate your input, but I think you're assuming way to much in your arguments. I assume Laws that are canonically accepted, and you begin assuming theories that have yet to be witnessed in action. I am certain that if at some juncture we find matter being created, that is definitely a possible reason behind it, but as of now we have yet to witness the creation of matter. Therefore you cannot assume that, as the creation of matter has not even been witnessed once, where every Law that I assume has been witnessed an uncountable number of times. I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm saying that your arguments ought to be viewed with skepticism until they've been seen in action at least once.
537 posted on 12/10/2004 1:14:35 PM PST by conservative_crusader (Annuit Coeptis (He has smiled on our undertaking))
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To: conservative_crusader

You're saying that my argument fell because of something you assume... Are you aware of what happens when you assume that matter can be created during inflation.

B: I don't know about matter being created during the inflationary epoch, although quarks may have been springing into existence at this point.


I'll let you know this much you're making a "this" out of you and me.

B: From where I stand, its just you.

"Where does the force come from? "

B; What force? The false vacuum? Many, if not most cosmologists think that our universe is but a "brane" within in a higher dimesnional manifold.

Google "M-brane theory"


This is a simple enough answer. The only place a force could from is a force that exists outside the scope of the universe. That force is the god, or in my personal belief "God," that I have been writing of.

B: I see, "I assert, therefore I'm right". Now try and write something that can at least pretend to be a logical argument. I suppose if one wants, they can view God as a collision between "branes". Not strictly orthodox, mind you.



Seriously PP I appreciate your input, but I think you're assuming way to much in your arguments. I assume Laws that are canonically accepted,

B: Like what?


and you begin assuming theories that have yet to be witnessed in action.

B: Ah yes, the old creationist chestnut "seeing is beleiving". One wonders what creationists said about atomic forces before the A-bomb? One doesn't have to witness events. They can be inferred by what remains in the aftermath.

And by the way spontaneous generation of matter from the vacuum is a measureable phenomena. Google "Casimir effect" or "Lamb shift"


I am certain that if at some juncture we find matter being created, that is definitely a possible reason behind it, but as of now we have yet to witness the creation of matter.

B: THe creation of matter can be witnessed by anyone interested in experimental phsysics. Like most creationists, you're at least a few decades behind the times.




Therefore you cannot assume that, as the creation of matter has not even been witnessed once,

B: Its been "witnessed" in every major physics institute since the invention of the cloud chamber. Google "particle pair production", and "witness" the spontaneous creation of an electron-positron pair from a gamma ray.

You are ig-no-rant. It remains to be seen as to whether or not you are inculcatable.


540 posted on 12/10/2004 2:43:35 PM PST by bigdakine
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