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To: kipita
I'm not the only semi-Atheist or Atheist convert who now believes in a higher deity and who no longer believes in evolution.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=16&u=/ap/20041209/ap_on_re_us/believing_atheist

Did you not read the article? That would be the normal thing to do if you are going to post it... He still believes in evolution. He just believes something along the lines that abiogenesis requires a helping hand. That belief is perfectly compatible with current scientific knowledge because abiogenesis is not yet explained. If he is right then science will never be able to explain abiogenesis. His "conversion" does appear to be the classic Argument from Personal Incredulity fallacy but I guess we have to cut an 81-year-old some slack.

This guy, now 81, was the father and grandfather of the Atheist movement for some 50 years.

I'm an atheist and I've never heard of him. But then I've never heard of an atheist movement either.

As I have said before, the ORDER on the planet Earth is unique in the universe and balls do not naturally roll up mountains.

Can you evidence your statement that the earth is unique in showing order? There are 10^23 star-systems out there, a couple of thousand of which are visible to the naked eye.

503 posted on 12/10/2004 2:19:26 AM PST by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Thatcherite

"Did you not read the article? That would be the normal thing to do if you are going to post it... He still believes in evolution. He just believes something along the lines that abiogenesis requires a helping hand. That belief is perfectly compatible with current scientific knowledge because abiogenesis is not yet explained. If he is right then science will never be able to explain abiogenesis. His "conversion" does appear to be the classic Argument from Personal Incredulity fallacy but I guess we have to cut an 81-year-old some slack."

I read every word of the article, which is why I posted it. To cut you some slack, as a stand alone argument against evolution, I can understand your response. However, the post was a continuation of previous posts and should be read based on the information exchanged within those posts.

"I'm an atheist and I've never heard of him. But then I've never heard of an atheist movement either."

Perhaps you should put more key words into Yahoo/Goooogle, "shake the pan a bit", and look for the bits of Gold.

"Can you evidence your statement that the earth is unique in showing order? There are 10^23 star-systems out there, a couple of thousand of which are visible to the naked eye."

Good point! The significance of the plant Earth in the universe is about that of a grain of sand on Santa Monica Beach (I just made this up for brevity.....it's a guess). Actually, when younger, this led me to not believe in the concept of God. However, with all the remaining grains of sand, where else is there ORDER that drives things. The other evidence/feeling of the existence of a higher Deity can be argued on another thread.

BTW, how do you accentuate a statement in italics? Every time I tag a phrase "(i)phrase(i/)" (where the ( = < and the ) = >), I cannot separate the other words in the post.


505 posted on 12/10/2004 3:16:23 AM PST by kipita (Rebel – the proletariat response to Aristocracy and Exploitation.)
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