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To: Rammer

Exactly, "intellegent design" is a theory for "dumb hicks."

You know, it is funny that men like Einstein and C.S. Lewis (two of the most brilliant minds of the 20th Century) were not supporters of macro-evolution.

I read a quote from Lewis once where he put it in really simple terms..."If there was nothing in the beginning, without a Creator, there would still be nothing."

The very idea that life evolved from non-life has been challenged from the top Physicists, Chemists, and even some biologists (especially DNA scientists).

So, I'd say this writer is a scared liberal--afraid that the weak theory he agrees with is on the way out--it has been that way in science for a while, it's about time the schools catch up!


24 posted on 11/29/2004 7:08:08 AM PST by cainin04 (Concerned)
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To: cainin04; Rammer

Re #24. Please cite sources.


46 posted on 11/29/2004 7:22:40 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: cainin04
You know, it is funny that men like Einstein and C.S. Lewis (two of the most brilliant minds of the 20th Century) were not supporters of macro-evolution.

Cite on Einstein? Not that it would matter too much, since he wasn't a biologist. C.S. Lewis wasn't even a scientist, so his opinion on the matter counts for even less.

I read a quote from Lewis once where he put it in really simple terms..."If there was nothing in the beginning, without a Creator, there would still be nothing."

Do you think that this is a statement on evolution, or are you just changing the subject?

The very idea that life evolved from non-life has been challenged from the top Physicists, Chemists, and even some biologists (especially DNA scientists).

Life from non-life has nothing whatsoever to do with the theory of evolution.

So, I'd say this writer is a scared liberal--afraid that the weak theory he agrees with is on the way out--it has been that way in science for a while, it's about time the schools catch up!

Given the absymsal ignorance that you're pushing in this post, I'll take someone else's word for it first.
116 posted on 11/29/2004 8:07:28 AM PST by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://www.aa419.org)
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To: cainin04; All
Since my list addresses your particular "argument" I address this to you in particular (see second argument):

The theory of evolution is just a theory

The word theory means something different in science than it does in common usage. Theories are the result of a hypothesis, or educated suggestion, being tested and found to be consistent with observation. A theory coherently explains a large range of observations. It is in contrast to a law which simply expresses a regularity seen in observations without attempting to explain that regularity. Theories do not become laws. Laws are not somehow more certain than theories. Both are on equal footing in science.

There's no way life could have arisen from non-living chemicals/There's no way to get from the big bang to humans

Neither the origin of life nor the big bang is covered in the theory of evolution. Evolution only applies once life has begun. It makes no difference how life began.

The second law of thermodynamics makes evolution impossible

The second law of thermodynamics states that IN A CLOSED SYSTEM, entropy always increases. The earth is not a closed system. The earth receives energy from the sun. This release of energy from the surface of the sun at a temperature of 6000K to space at a temperature of ~3K represents an enormous increase in entropy. Therefore, even taking evolution into account, the entropy of the earth/sun system does indeed increase over time.

Creationism is just as valid a theory as evolution/Evolution is not really science

To qualify as a theory in science, an idea must explain observations in such a way as to be falsifiable. This means that it must predict something and finding that this prediction is not true would require abandonment or serious modification of the theory. Evolution meets this requirement. For example, evolution predicts that in billion year old rock layers, no fossils of modern humans will be found. It predicts that all organisms on earth will have nucleic acids as their genetic material. It predicts that it will be possible to observe changes in the genepool of organisms. All of these predictions have been borne out by observations. If any of them are not, then evolution would have to be seriously modified or abandoned. I am sure that someone with more knowledge of biology could provide many more such examples. Creationism, on the other hand, by its very nature can offer no such predictions. The most basic premise of creationism is that there is an omnipotent God who created the universe. By virtue of God's omnipotence, there is no possible observation that could falsify this premise. God could have made the universe appear any way He wanted it to appear.

Evolution has never been provenNeither has quantum theory, or relativity, or any other scientific theory or law. Science never offers proof, merely strong evidence for an idea. Evolution is backed by a large amount of observational evidence.

121 posted on 11/29/2004 8:09:41 AM PST by stremba
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To: cainin04

> I read a quote from Lewis once where he put it in really simple terms..."If there was nothing in the beginning, without a Creator, there would still be nothing."


You ARE aware that C.S. Lewis had a death-bed conversion to Islam, aren't you?


165 posted on 11/29/2004 8:29:47 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: cainin04
>> I read a quote from Lewis once where he put it in really simple terms..."If there was nothing in the beginning, without a Creator, there would still be nothing." <<

But evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life. Evolution and Natural Selection are silent on where and how life originated.
1,099 posted on 12/02/2004 8:02:26 AM PST by Bryher1
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