[Michael_Michaelangelo]

Tell me again how you're intellectually honest?

Why don't you guys stop harassing members by calling them liars? I can cite a number of instances of scientists being dishonest and lying about findings if you'd like. Why would they lie unless their theory was bogus?

[narby]

Why would they lie unless their theory was bogus?

The technique of picking a small minority of dishonest scientists and using that to claim that all scientists are frauds can work both ways.

I seem to remember that preacher Jim Jones, the original Koolaid drinker, was a mass murderer. With the recent Catholic homosexual scandals, many secular people believe that all religious people are one step away from similar acts.

That and a personal example in my life, where a Southern Baptist Church in Oklahoma City helped cover up the actions of a convicted child molester don't make religion a good example of honesty.

[Dimensio]

Why don't you guys stop harassing members by calling them liars?

Sorry. What would you prefer I call people who lie?

I can cite a number of instances of scientists being dishonest and lying about findings if you'd like.

Okay. Do so.

I can cite a number of instances of scientists being dishonest and lying about findings if you'd like.

Cite a lie and I'll address it. For example, you could bring up the Piltdown example (you know, that "find" that was later debunked when examined by credible biologists who saw that it clearly did not fit the evolutionary model), a case of scientists wanting to establish a name for themselves.