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To: phoenix0468
By the way, Darwin personally refuted many of his own claims later in life. And as for your "vast weight" of evidence, most of it still lies on the foundation that Darwin created and of course later refuted. So it seems, when you pile BS, it just stinks a little more.

Complete, total, absolute hogwash. Post your backup for those claims, and we'll show that your sources are all frauds. (Trust me, we go through this stuff all the time.)

14 posted on 11/29/2004 7:02:44 AM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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PHOENIX0468 WROTE: "By the way, Darwin personally refuted many of his own claims later in life. And as for your "vast weight" of evidence, most of it still lies on the foundation that Darwin created and of course later refuted. So it seems, when you pile BS, it just stinks a little more."

PATRICK HENRY ANSWERED: "Complete, total, absolute hogwash. Post your backup for those claims, and we'll show that your sources are all frauds. (Trust me, we go through this stuff all the time.)"

I am a long-time Christian with two bachelors' degrees and one masters' degree. Until a couple of years ago when I started doing some research into the issues of evolution and the creation of the universe, I believed in the millions/billions of years time frames. Such time frames, of course, totally contradict Genesis.

I have changed my mind 180 degrees, however, and am thoroughly convinced that what Genesis say is not only possible, it DID, in fact, happen just the way it says.

At the very least, we should present kids with opposing views so that they can decide what they believe. Afterall, evolution is not considered "fact" by even those who propose it---even they refer to it as just a theory. "Genesis 1-believing" Christians, however, DO consider the 6-day creation as fact.

Regarding the Scopes Trial, there is a very interesting DVD which can be found at:
http://shop4.gospelcom.net/epages/AIGUS.storefront/en/product/30-9-032

You can also find the actual transcript of the Scopes Trial at:
http://shop4.gospelcom.net/epages/AIGUS.storefront/41ab61bd0077645e271d45579e7a06c7/Product/View/10-3-079

Answers in Genesis has a page which lists links to find more information regarding the Scopes trial at:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/scopes.asp

David Menton has another DVD at:
http://shop4.gospelcom.net/epages/AIGUS.storefront/41ab628700896658271d45579e7a06c4/Product/View/30-9-020
which says on the AIG website: "This popular introductory talk by Dr. Menton summarizes his best evidences—from the fascinating design of the feather to the remarkable architecture of the honeycomb—to support the creation view of origins. He shows that our world and its fascinating creatures clearly display God’s handiwork. Dr. Menton also disposes of some of the traditional evidences used to support evolution."

You can aso find a very interesting DVD regarding the famous "Lucy" ape/woman fossils at:
http://shop4.gospelcom.net/epages/AIGUS.storefront/41ab628700896658271d45579e7a06c4/Search/Display

They also have some DVDs regarding the incredible fallable-nature of the numerous time-dating systems that are used to allegedly "validate" the evolutionists' millions/billions of years claims. It is interesting when they use the evolutionists' own dating system claims to prove their theory not only wrong, but impossible.

When you start to look at the world, and all that is in it, through Biblical glasses, the pieces of the puzzle seem to finally come together. And for those questions that we still don't know the answer to, "Genesis-1 believing" Christians, thankfully, at least know the One who DOES!!!

345 posted on 11/29/2004 10:23:14 AM PST by Concerned (RATS can't win unless they LIE, CHEAT and/or STEAL!!!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Ok, maybe hogwash, but not complete and total. It is just about as unlikely for him to have said this on his deathbed to someone than it is for his theory to be fact.


351 posted on 11/29/2004 10:29:05 AM PST by phoenix0468 (One man with courage is a majority. (Thomas Jefferson))
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I forgot to also add something regarding PATRICK HENRY's ANSWER to PHOENIX0468: "Complete, total, absolute hogwash. Post your backup for those claims, and we'll show that your sources are all frauds. (Trust me, we go through this stuff all the time.)"

What you are actually saying is that GOD, Himself, is a liar. Thanks, but I'll trust GOD and His perspective---anytime---over a human and their perspective!

Afterall, if you are right and I am wrong, neither of us has anything to lose. You believe what you believe and I beleive what I believe and we both end up in the same place.

But I am right and you are wrong, I would hate to be in your position.

If GOD is right, those who believe in GOD and His Saviour Son, Jesus, have nothing to worry about in eternity. But those who do not believe in GOD and Jesus will literally have hell to pay. With those outcomes, I'll choose GOD and Jesus EVERY TIME!!!

364 posted on 11/29/2004 10:41:11 AM PST by Concerned (RATS can't win unless they LIE, CHEAT and/or STEAL!!!)
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