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To: Ichneumon

Ichneumon, it's fine with me if you wish you express your opinions and offer your evidence, either here or in the educational system.

However, to act as if evolution's a done deal is ridiculous. If your side had anything in its arsenal even remotely close to settling this issue in your favor, it would have been presented a long time ago. It isn't as if your side isn't trying to crush the opposition, the way a political ideology, rather than people offering a scientific theory, would. In fact, you have political forces on your side (the ACLU for one) whose specialty is bludgeoning the opposition into silence.

Present your views if you wish. I've even suggested that it's possible the evolutionary view is correct, though I don't believe that to be the case. I'm sure you can offer me volumes of evidence for your theory. It's been around now for a century and a half, if not longer, and lots of scientists have chimed in on it.

If this was a done deal, your side would have dropped the big one a long time ago. Why would you even bother debating those of us who have doubts about evolution? I don't bother debating anyone who doubts that the earth orbits the sun. First, the evidence that the earth orbits to sun is sufficiently strong that few people deny it. Second, the few people who do deny it aren't worth debating.

So are we worth debating, or not?


1,111 posted on 12/02/2004 8:28:05 AM PST by puroresu
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To: puroresu
If this was a done deal, your side would have dropped the big one a long time ago.

The big one was dropped by Tom Watson, probably about when you were still wetting your diapers. There is no big controversy about this inside the scientific establishment. And there likely never will be. The independently derived confirming evidence is too outrageously good and outrageously plentiful and outrageously vetted with good opportunities for disconfirmation that failed. It is irrelevant to scientific concerns that a coterie of religeously motived non-scientists with an ax to grind and a new, more sophisticated camoflage technique have managed to stampede a few school boards. This is two different battlefields entirely, but I understand perfectly why you'd like to suggest that they are merged.

1,116 posted on 12/02/2004 8:43:57 AM PST by donh
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To: puroresu
So are we worth debating, or not?

If you wish to debate, perhaps you would present your debating points on the following questions:

  1. How old is the Earth?
  2. If the age of the Earth is not accurately determined by radiometric dating, could you present a definitive and mathematically consistent physics that describes what really happened?
  3. Does variation and selection occur? Has it been observed?
  4. What biological mechanism blocks small changes (microevolution) from accumulating over time to become large changes?
  5. I often hear the claim that bacteria never evolve into different species. Could you explain what this statement means?

1,126 posted on 12/02/2004 9:32:01 AM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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