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To: justshutupandtakeit
Yates was passed over by Morris for the position which Hamilton eventually took.

Of course. He said he wouldn't submerge his own opinions and will in Morris's -- but then perhaps you're enough of a modern organization-worshipper that you mightn't have seen anything wrong with that.

When you quote Yates please do not pretend that you are quoting an impartial or even fair source.

I didn't say that I did, only that he reports the substance of the conversation, and historian Main vouches for it.

You are quoting an inveterent [sic] enemy of Hamilton.

Of course he would be, after being insulted like that.

Given that TRUTH the statement can be properly evaluated. And thus entirely discredited by honest men.

Not so. Honest men will see that Hamilton was exactly what people who knew him well, said he was.

Yates unsuitability for the office was simply stated: "that it was Necessary the Receiver of Taxes should be able to Look Continentally. He should have Continental Eyes, should not be under governmental Regulation etc. (state)"

I.e., somebody (you don't say who) thought he should be more......Hamiltonian in his outlook. So what? I think George W. Bush should be more Reaganesque in his outlook.

Clinton's factotems had no concern to strengthen the Union.

Now it's your words that will have to be weighed against other evidence, as you are again displaying blatant bias and Hamilton-worship.

And you neglected to fully tell the rest of the story which in no way redowns in Yates' favor or against Hamilton. .....then H (knowing that such assent was contrary to the Clintonites) OFFERED YATES THE JOB knowing he would have to turn down the job he had just sought. After H had made him look the fool he erupted with the misleading and dishonest crap you posted.

And just how the hell does that redound to Hamilton's credit, please? He was being a skunk and playing someone false.

Leaving aside the question of whether you placed the conversation I quoted correctly in time (Yates recounted it in a letter of Oct. 19, 1782), it seems to me that the conditional nature of the offer of employment was enough in itself to make anyone say no. And no, it shows exactly what I said it did, about Hamilton.

I am arrogant enough that being called arrogant causes me no alarm or concern.

Congratulations. Just don't bleed credibility all over me.

1,470 posted on 11/26/2004 9:49:12 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Yate's will was already turned over to Clinton. This made him unworthy of trust by Morris. Common sense rules out placing an enemy in your administration knowing he will work to undermine it.

Main quoting Yates in no way verifies its truth.

You mean "after being found out" rather than being "insulted" after all he was bought and paid for already.

The quotation was from Hamilton.

I don't know what "Hamilton worship" has to do with the history of the Clinton governorship. It is fairly clear as to its policies and beliefs.

Hamilton's astute understanding of politics and men was clearly demonstrated by his drawing Yates out and then humiliating him into refusing what he wanted. Hilarious.
This episode is not mysterious and fully discussed in the major Hamilton biographies both pro and con. I refer most often to the Hendrickson.


1,477 posted on 11/26/2004 10:10:02 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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