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To: lentulusgracchus

That is an amusing scenario of Yates, Clinton's handpuppet, protesting an assault upon his "integrity." He was sent by the Old Man as a keeper of Hamilton to the CC. Prior to that Hamilton attempted to assure his loyalty and fidelity to the Union's interest. That, of course, failed and when H refused to hire him became infuriated. The word of Yates, a second or third rater, against a Titan is of no interest except as chaff trown in the eyes of History.

What this episode shows is that H was not going to put antagonistic forces in power and rightly so. Washington found out the problems with such appointments after appointing Jefferson as SecState and watching sabotage from the very center of his Administration.

Hamilton's huge role in our history was a testimony to his talent and willingness to sacrifice all for his country. Since Adams retained those cabinet members who had served under Washington he unknowingly retained their tendency to consult H on everything as they had since the beginning of the federal government. Adams tendency to leave the Capital for long stretches at Braintree did not mean the work of the government could be suspended.

As for being elected president, that was the likely result of the situation in the 90s until Jefferson's henchmen torpedoed his chances by revealing the Reynolds affair, apparently a badger game run by Burr, through the detestable Callender. Him not being President was one of America's greatest tragedies along with the Lincoln assassination.

As for the silly idea that he was a manipulator that completely is at odds with his ability to make friends who stayed friends for life utterly devoted to the Little Lion.
They certainly did not object to his "manipulation." There was no man more upfront than Alexander Hamilton.

It was precisely his devotion to principle which caused most of his political trouble rather than resort to fraud, sneakiness and deception, like Jefferson, he stated what he believed and forced people to deal with it. He was truly the pivot around which politics of the 1790s revolved as Jefferson was forced to admit- a Colossus.

His role in conversion of enough of the majority antis to a federalist vote for the Constitution at the NY Ratification Convention was one of the most widely praised achievements in the history of politics and was matched by the role in explaining the Constitution to the masses in The Federalist.
This rapidly produced work is the most important work in Western political theory since Aristotle and Plato. Such works at these makes Hamilton's fame and glory permanent. They and his other huge achievements places him in the Triumverate with Washington, and Lincoln as the greatest fighters for the Union and the greatest Americans. Without him the Union would not have survived.


1,444 posted on 11/26/2004 8:46:17 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
That is an amusing scenario of Yates, Clinton's handpuppet, protesting an assault upon his "integrity." He was sent by the Old Man as a keeper of Hamilton to the CC.

Irrelevant. The incident, as I pointed out clearly, occurred in 1782, five years before the Constitutional Convention (which convened in May, 1787), when nobody had any Federal/Antifederal irons in the fire yet, and the guns of Yorktown were barely cool.

The word of Yates, a second or third rater, against a Titan is of no interest except as chaff trown in the eyes of History.

Blatant and abusive prejudice and intellectual arrogance of the first water. Thanks for showing it off. Now lurkers will be better able to weigh your shamelessly partisan representations and mischaracterizations.

The incident clearly shows who said what, and Hamilton's intentions are crystal-clear, as is his mode of operation. The tale itself vindicates my and Yates's measure of Hamilton's character, and I'll be happy to let you roll that boulder uphill for as long as you can stand it. Readers will know, as I say, what to make of your "efforts".

Like Hamilton, "you are known".

1,448 posted on 11/26/2004 8:56:37 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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