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Revisionist attempts to reframe old debate don't wash
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| 24 oct 2004
| Thomas G. Clemens
Posted on 10/26/2004 4:28:59 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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posted on
10/26/2004 4:32:19 AM PDT
by
Non-Sequitur
(Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
To: capitan_refugio; Hayward
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posted on
10/26/2004 4:34:20 AM PDT
by
Non-Sequitur
(Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
To: Non-Sequitur
I believe you are trying to ping
Heyworth, not Hayward.
Attention to detail.....
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To: stainlessbanner; Heyworth
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posted on
10/26/2004 4:41:27 AM PDT
by
Non-Sequitur
(Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
To: Great Prophet Zarquon
I agree. Let's don't rehash this stuff again right now.
Therefore, I am not replying to this thread.
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posted on
10/26/2004 4:44:11 AM PDT
by
Jemian
(America needs Jonathan Edwards, not John Edwards.)
To: stainlessbanner
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posted on
10/26/2004 4:53:16 AM PDT
by
risk
To: stainlessbanner
Revisionist history is what has caused people to believe the Civil war was about slavery. When it was only part of the overall issue of states rights.
Slavery was fading out in the southern states until the invention of the Cotton Gin which made it profitable again.
Also the south is constantly portrayed as evil for fighting this war for slavery but hardly a word is mentioned of the rape of the southern economy by the north during reconstruction. A travesty from which the south has just begun to recover from in the last 20 years.
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posted on
10/26/2004 4:54:54 AM PDT
by
Kileab
To: Great Prophet Zarquon
To: Kileab
Slavery was fading out in the southern states until the invention of the Cotton Gin which made it profitable again. You hit on the key point, profitable. The southern rebellion was in response to what they saw as a threat to their institution of slavery.
Also the south is constantly portrayed as evil for fighting this war for slavery but hardly a word is mentioned of the rape of the southern economy by the north during reconstruction. A travesty from which the south has just begun to recover from in the last 20 years.
Melodrama aside, southern losses were a result of southern actions. When you start a war you cannot decide in advance how it will turn out.
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posted on
10/26/2004 5:47:38 AM PDT
by
Non-Sequitur
(Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
To: risk
Would ya'll like to explain this? Certainly. The 'Rats executed a successful strategy of nominating someone who could peel off some Republican-leaning Southern States from the Upper Midwest and Mountain States. They lost California, but got enough of the South to go with the big Middle Atlantic States to guarantee victory.
In due course, the Southerners eventually realized, to their rue, that pride in having "one o' ouah own" in office was no guarantee that he wouldn't turn out to be a McGovernite nitwit politically.
Rock on.
To: lentulusgracchus
And since then y'all have, usually, come on over to the Party of Lincoln. Welcome aboard.
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posted on
10/26/2004 6:45:59 AM PDT
by
Non-Sequitur
(Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
To: Non-Sequitur
Correction.
The southern rebellion was in response to what they saw as a threat to their institution of slavery right of self-determination, their state sovereignty, and the relationship of federal to state government, as well as their property rights, and their right to emigrate to the Territories and take their property with them.
After all, a policy of freesoil Territories was de facto an exclusion of Southern planters and whatever other Southern citizens might actually own slaves. That policy made them second-class citizens in their fathers' house, and intended to exclude them from the national patrimony.
To: risk
Are you kidding me? Carter swept the south? My how times have changed.
To: WhiskeyPapa
The most intelligent and factual post on FR that I have seen regarding this subject in quite some time.
To: lentulusgracchus
No, I was right the first time.
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posted on
10/26/2004 7:17:22 AM PDT
by
Non-Sequitur
(Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
To: KC_Conspirator
Walt got banned some time ago. But I agree with you're description of the article.
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posted on
10/26/2004 7:20:15 AM PDT
by
Non-Sequitur
(Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
To: KC_Conspirator; WhiskeyPapa
Sorry , but old Wlat isn't around any more......banned....heard he's off posting commentary and photos of himself in bondage newsgroups, if you want to look him up. I'd wear sunglasses.
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