dredging up old news
interacting only to bash
..........all in one post - congrats Jean - like a dog returns to his vomit the good book says
looks like the swarm is in full tilt red alert
hey - who you guys gonna "***** slap" today?
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Posted on 09/07/2004 9:39:02 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
Iain Murray on Whitefield and Wesley
[excerpted, beginning at fourth paragraph]
When Whitefield returned to England at the end of 1738, after his first visit to America, he found that the awakening in London had been furthered by the conversion and subsequent ministry of the Wesleys. Immediately they began to work together. Under Whitefield's preaching the revival spread to Bristol and the West country in February and March 1739, and when he left that area at the beginning of April 1739, John Wesley was given the oversight of the work.
But before three months had elapsed it began to be evident that there had not been the same doctrinal development in the Wesleys on all points mentioned above. The fact is that while John Wesley had at his conversion in May 1738 accepted evangelical views on sin, faith, and the re-birth, he had at the same time retained his pre-conversion opinions on the doctrines of predestination and the extent of the atonement.
[From the final footnote to the article]
On leaving England in 1739 Whitefield was the leader of the awakening; when he returned in 1741 it was to find himself supplanted and Wesley organizing the movement around himself. He had cause to write at a later date: "I have been supplanted, despised, censured, maligned, judged by and separated from my nearest, dearest friends." (Works of George Whitefield, edited by Gillies, vol. 2, p. 466.) But Whitefield was too great to contend for personal prominence. The legend of "England before and after Wesley " began to originate from this time.
(Excerpt) Read more at albatrus.org ...
if'n you wuz plannin' tuh ignore him, ya missed...
now, now, never let the facts stand in the way of a good distortion...
No thank you. I have no interest in getting into a hair-splitting contest, so I'll just sign out of this thread right now.
Thanks for the invite, though.
LOL!!! I really don't blame you.
dredging up old news
interacting only to bash
..........all in one post - congrats Jean - like a dog returns to his vomit the good book says
looks like the swarm is in full tilt red alert
hey - who you guys gonna "***** slap" today?
Im smelling popcorn...............
in three words or less
the newbie sounds like a retread
Hi Woody, thepilgrim or Ep210 - whoever you are this week
LOL...I've been ignoring him a great deal, but I've learned what the ground rules they think are applicable here, one of which is, they respond to what they want to, but demand that Calvinist respond to everything of theirs, so I'm only using their own imaginary ground rules.
It's clear that "ethic" isn't one applicable consistently, but instead is applied as a double standard.
bless you
In precisely the same cadence and writing style we have seen before
welcome newbie
bless you
It really grates on your conscience doesn't it?
actually - um - nope
wait
um - err
ooops
...just cramps
nope
No. Oberon has been around for awhile.
But he definitely sounds like a retread of something.
You pop onto the thread, disparage Calvinists, and then bow out.
How gentlemanly of you.
As irritating as these Arminians can be, they usually offer more substance to their arguments than your hit-and-run.
Discuss the topic and stop with the baiting and back-slapping.
It's like you guys are a Calvinist-banning tag-team. This must be your week.
Let's stick to the discussion.
I may have pointed out a foible of certain Calvinists, but I by no means disparaged all of them. In fact, I suspect that Calvin was onto something.
Regardless, I'm sorry I offended you.
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