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To: nolu chan
You enjoy being picked apart today, don't you?

"Iraq is not a nation. It cannot defend its borders."

The community of nations recently recognized the return to Iraq of its sovereignty. Its borders are well-defined, and at present, defended and defensible.

"Is the Vatican a nation? Can it defend its borders?"

The Vatican is not a "nation." It is best described as a principalitConcilliation between the Holy See and Italy (its only neighbor) establishes the Vatican as an independent state. Its borders are fixed and guarded.

"If we withdraw our recognition of Canada, will they cease to be a nation?"

In that event we will not recognize the validity of the state, but Canada would undoubtedly still be recognized by other neighbor and historic partners. A better discussion about withdrawn recognition might be directed to the situation in the former Yugoslavia.

"If the CSA had no functioning national government, who the heck was killing all those Yankees?

Insurrectionist armies, often under the direction of a governor or department head. The point is that the purported government of the CAS never had control of the territory it claimed, and progressively lost control of such territory until it collapsed. Ignobly collapsed, I might add.

"The CSA seemed to defend its borders against the biggest army in the world for about 4 years.

Talk about breath-taking displays of ignorance! The CSA successively lost Missouri, lost Kentucky, lost west Virgina, and lost Tennessee by mid-1862. Texas and Arkansas were soon thereafter cut off and left in control of the virtual dictator, Kirby Smith. At the same time, control of the Gulf Coast was lost, from Florida, to Louisiana, to Texas. Then Sherman's offensive further dissected the mouldering remains of the Confederacy. Defended for 4 years! They weren't defended for 4 months!!

"Against Germany in WW2, France and Poland lasted weeks. Were France or Poland nations?"

They effectively ceased to be after the Germans got done with them. Fortunately, for them, they had help within a few years.

653 posted on 09/03/2004 12:13:49 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio; nolu chan
The Vatican is not a "nation." [snip] ...the Vatican [is] an independent state.

eh?

661 posted on 09/03/2004 2:08:52 PM PDT by Gianni
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To: capitan_refugio
[cr] You enjoy being picked apart today, don't you?

I enjoy watching you pretend to have an intellect.

[cr] The community of nations recently recognized the return to Iraq of its sovereignty. Its borders are well-defined, and at present, defended and defensible.

You mean it still counts if the Army of a different nation controls your country and they can defend the borders? Do they have a fully functioning national government?

[cr] In that event we will not recognize the validity of the state, but Canada would undoubtedly still be recognized by other neighbor and historic partners. A better discussion about withdrawn recognition might be directed to the situation in the former Yugoslavia.

WHAT other neighbors? Your condition at #639 was "(5) Diplomatic recognition neighboring nations,"

[cr] Insurrectionist armies, often under the direction of a governor or department head.

Do you mean that it took the most powerful nation in the world four years to beat a disorganized territory with no functioning government?

[cr] Defended for 4 years! They weren't defended for 4 months!!

How many dead Union soldiers were there after the first four months? Why was there a need for huge drafts?

And IIRC, Texas was never taken. The last battle of the war was fought in Texas and the Union forces lost.

"Against Germany in WW2, France and Poland lasted weeks. Were France or Poland nations?"

[cr] They effectively ceased to be after the Germans got done with them. Fortunately, for them, they had help within a few years.

Were they nations before the Germans invaded? Germany proved they could not defend their border.

Is Mexico a nation? Can it defend its northern border should the USA feel like taking the rest of Mexico from it?

668 posted on 09/03/2004 7:31:42 PM PDT by nolu chan
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To: capitan_refugio; nolu chan
Insurrectionist armies, often under the direction of a governor or department head. The point is that the purported government of the CAS never had control of the territory it claimed, and progressively lost control of such territory until it collapsed. Ignobly collapsed, I might add.

Appeal to force, and teleology. "We won, so we must be right." The "ignobly" is your own cheesy, unjust characterization that shows your venom again.

703 posted on 09/05/2004 7:42:54 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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