Beware! Watchwords of Modernists

Catholic Insight ^ | Mario Derksen

[Stubborn]

The following list of words and phrases are typically used by modernist theologians and lay people, in reference to Catholic theology/practice/attitude/concepts. Most of them are inherently vague and for that very reason are used by the modernists -- it is not clear just what they mean or when their meaning applies.

[ninenot]

Yes, there are orthodox interpretations of these very words. The point is that usually the modernist means something else entirely by them.

The imprecision of language is a serious problem.

One could legitimately theorize that dropping Latin as a standard was a very good move, for those who wished to "migrate" definitions around the game-board...

[ninenot]

"social justice" has become a modernist codeword.

I actually heard it during the intentions at a recent Mass where the lecter implored us to pray for "Social justice and a more even distribution of wealth."

The fallacious premise is that Gummint can do what PERSONAL CHARITY should have done in the first place.

[ninenot]

like the DDR.

VERY clever.

[ArrogantBustard]

Thank you. ;')

[ninenot]

I expect that the music shall offer praise or thanksgiving to God, and shall not expound heresy

Of course, to finish your description, you would add "and lifts the minds and the hearts of the Faithful to God."

That takes out a lot of OCP and Jebbie garbage, wholesale.

[ArrogantBustard]

Down in my laBORuhtry, I'm working up a special treat for OCP composers and whacked-out Jebbies. I hope that they'll find it as entertaining as I do ... Our namesake Tomas would have loved modern electronic and computer technology. ;'}

[pascendi]

lol yeah. It comes natural when you're holier than the pope.

[Mershon]

Perhaps true, but also applies to lots of others. Too bad that only canon lawyers understand this microscopic distinction.

[Mershon]

Perhaps, but every priest, liturgist and "reform of the reformer" and bishop has a different understanding of what it should entail: therefore, I will stick with the tried and true Mass which is most in line with the Council's directives--the Traditional Latin Mass.

Not even the reform of the reformers agree among themselves what it should be and everybody has an opinion.

[Mershon]

No. More "Catholic" than the pope. Only read what THIS Pope has written. Do not read what any others have written and certainly don't read anything by those silly saints who are already dead, canonized and in heaven--rather than all those "Greats" who most assuredly will be, but are still alive.

[ninenot]

A few days ago, an individual with a background in Bio-Chem volunteered to become part of the TTGC--I suggested that with his smarts and yours, we could certainly have some goodies which FAR surpass, in their effects,those of our Patron [not-quite-yet] Saint.

[broadsword]

I hope you realize that I was only illustrating the effects of your broadbrush "Hee Haw" poem as you applied it to those who love and respect Catholic tradition, faith and morals.

How can you expect us to be happy about the devastation of our Church?

The Gospels record Jesus weeping, cursing, castigating and being angry, but not one instance of Him laughing or even smiling. Does your cute little poem apply to Him too?

[ArrogantBustard]

The line from that song I find most applicable to the traditionalists on this forum is the one about "bad luck". You folks seem to have an infallible homing instinct for the absolute worst that any particular geographical area has to offer. Your buddy pascendi (courtesy ping), for example, on his one and only trip to northern Virginia, winds up in a parish that ... well ... if they ever have to give the Diocese of Arlington an enema, I know where they'll stick the tube. MMJ's (courtesy ping) son, on his (apparently) one and only foray into the regular Catholic Church, finds himself in a hellhole of a diocese, confessing to a priest who doesn't believe in sin. Yuck. Every one of you seems to tell the same story.

I, on the other hand, by the simple expedient of assisting at Mass at the geographically closest Catholic Church to my hotel, generally find my standards (posted earlier on this thread) met. The most frequent violation of my standards is unorganized and incomprehensible preaching. The second most common is bad music.

Now I have to wonder "what's normal"? What is the state of the Church really? Who am I supposed to believe, the trads or my lyin' eyes?

If the shoe fits, wear it.

[pascendi]

Well, it's true. In fact, it happened at the exact time I ripped my family out of the New Order and plunked them down into the traditional Mass and they've enjoyed every ounce of it ever since. One of the best moves I've ever made.

For the most part it was my last NO experience with only a few exceptions. In fact, we had been looking to go to a traditional Mass that Sunday, but it didn't pan out. How I found the name of the parish was by googling pictures of parishes because I remember that ugly tweaked cross on the building.

About all I really remember was this theatre-sloped, half circle shaped interior and a bunch of overly friendly, spirit-filled people with NeoCatholic hair. A really weak sermon, bad music, that orans posture stuff. There was this outer vestibule thing with coffee and donuts everywhere. I recognized those things, so I hung out in the vestibule.

Send the shoes; I'll wear them.

[ArrogantBustard]

Lest I be misunderstood or misrepresented, I wish to make the following quite clear:

I am NOT accusing ANY of the traditionalists on this forum (or elsewhere) of ANY form of dishonesty in their representations of their personal experiences with ecclesiastical misbehaviour. God forbid that I should do such a thing.

I am somewhat astounded by their ability to find the bad stuff wherever they go, particularly in light of my own experiences.

[broadsword]

I am somewhat astounded by their ability to find the bad stuff wherever they go, particularly in light of my own experiences.

No need to worry about it, my friend. It's probably only a difference in standards. Some people find chocolate chip cookies and Pepsi perfectly acceptable for consecrating into the body and blood of our Lord, while others would not.

The cookies and Pepsi crowd would look at those who disagree as "trad" malcontents and write cute little poems to insult them.

It's probably best to just follow your well-formed conscience according to Catholic faith, and forget trying to track other folks and struggling in frustration to understand what you cannot.

[ArrogantBustard]

You, my friend, are a fascinating case study in "people unclear on the concept".

[gbcdoj]

You have absolutely no way of knowing how many souls are in heaven, therefore the truth of this statement is unverifiable.

All baptized children who die before the age of seven will go to heaven.

[sinkspur]

You have absolutely no way of knowing how many souls are in heaven, therefore the truth of this statement is unverifiable.

I didn't say I had a number in mind; just that most saints in heaven aren't canonized.

I'd wager that's true.

[MarineMomJ]

>> I am somewhat astounded by their ability to find the bad stuff wherever they go, particularly in light of my own experiences. <<


AB, we don't intentionally seek bad experiences, but it seems that, across the board, when a Trad has ventured into the world of AmChurch, the changes that have taken place are glaring and in clear conflict with our Traditional doctrinal beliefs.

When my son had the run in with the parish priest in AZ, he was no stranger to the N.O. We waffled for a few years, back and forth from the Trad Mass and the N.O. Mass. There is a N.O. Church down the street from where I live, and for a while we were going there. If you put conditions on your behavior when you attend the N.O. service such as.. "ok, we don't shake hands, we don't take communion but only from a priest, we kneel when we receive communion... " bla bla bla.. inevitably, one becomes alienated from the group.

We used to come out of the N.O. Mass so depressed. We finally came to terms with the disastrous changes in the Church and decided the Traditional Latin Mass was where we belonged.

Another thing, Trads are not "bad luck... gloom and doom" people. I personally, don't believe in luck..bad, good, or otherwise. Trads are happy, content people who have their Faith and rely on the Holy Ghost to guide them. What upsets a Trad, is the state that the worldwide church is in, UNNECESSARILY!

MMJ