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To: Lotec

"You have to wonder about a Christian who feels they are smarter than GOD who made the plant and pronounced it good."

The "GOD created it so it must be good!" argument is false.

God created Satan, does that make the devil "good"? God created fruit, does that mean fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil wasn't tainted? God created sex and demanded it occur in marriage, does that mean sex outside of marriage is okay just because God created sex?

Your argument ignores the invasion of sin into creation, and God's response. The Bible doesn't have to scientifically cover and note every intoxicant known to man in order to prohibit. It covers all intoxicants (including Cannabis Sativa) by demanding sobriety.

Christians understand this, so don't worry about them.


53 posted on 07/25/2004 11:23:16 AM PDT by avenir (Information overload = Pattern recognition)
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To: avenir
The Bible doesn't have to scientifically cover and note every intoxicant known to man in order to prohibit. It covers all intoxicants (including Cannabis Sativa) by demanding sobriety.

Of course ! That's why Jesus' first miracle was to turn water into wine !

Do you only read the parts you like ?

127 posted on 07/28/2004 8:39:20 AM PDT by jimt
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To: avenir

The Bible does not just say God created herb!
Learn how to read!

Genesis 1:12
And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Then he gave it to man and beast alike!

Genesis 1:29
And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.

Who are you to go against the word of God?

Let's talk specifics about sobriety.
Where are your quotes? I will debate each in turn.
But, you will lose that argument because you haven't
any ground to stand on here. There is a meaning to
remaining "sober." And, it is not the one you
puritans seek to sell.


Romans 14:2 contrasts two states of mind

1. "one believeth that he may eat all things:"

This is the fool because some things will kill you.

2. "another, who is weak, eateth herbs."

WEAK as in ill health needing assistance (research better)
with certain knowledge attained from herbs.

Ro 14:22 Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God. Blessed is he that condemneth not himself in that which he alloweth

If you are a Christian Scientist than I understand your viewpoint. Otherwise, don't take that aspirin next time you have a head ache.

Matthew 15:11
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

You seem to believe that the word is the word in its entirety. Then follow it. Don't support a falsely puritannical and unconstitutional war against our own citizenry.

Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God,
that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;


May Peace be with you.


150 posted on 07/29/2004 5:57:34 AM PDT by PaxMacian
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