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To: California74; hopefulpilgrim; jude24; xzins; Corin Stormhands; connectthedots; DoorGunner
The whole reason the non-believer is condemned is because they don't believe that Christ died on the cross for them! Because they REJECT Christ - the free gift to save their souls.

Wow. It seems you'd get an Amen from non other than John Calvin himself.

When Christ says, in other passages, that he is come to judgment, (John 9:39;) when he is called a stone of offense, (1 Peter 2:7;) when he is said to be set for the destruction of many, (Luke 2:34:) this may be regarded as accidental, or as arising from a different cause; for they who reject the grace offered in him deserve to find him the Judge and Avenger of contempt so unworthy and base. A striking instance of this may be seen in the Gospel; for though it is strictly the power of God for salvation to every one who believeth, (Romans 1:16,) the ingratitude of many causes it to become to them death.. Both have been well expressed by Paul, when he boasts of having vengeance at hand, by which he will punish all the adversaries of his doctrine after that the obedience of the godly shall have been fulfilled, (2 Corinthians 10:6) The meaning amounts to this, that the Gospel is especially, and in the first instance, appointed for believers, that it may be salvation to them; but that afterwards believers will not escape unpunished who, despising the grace of Christ, chose to have him as the Author of death rather than of life. [Emphasis added]

134 posted on 06/16/2004 11:00:22 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Elect John Calvin as an Honorary KOETT)
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To: P-Marlowe

What's a koett?


137 posted on 06/17/2004 1:31:36 AM PDT by hopefulpilgrim ("When the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?" Lk. 18:8)
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To: P-Marlowe
The whole reason the non-believer is condemned is because they don't believe that Christ died on the cross for them! Because they REJECT Christ - the free gift to save their souls.

We are condemned already,...in other words, you have to be condemned before you are saved,..so the reason for condemnation is so much that they are non-believers, but rather that they do not have a living spirit. Receipt of that living spirit is very simple, because Christ has already been judged for all sin. Whereever God might find righteousness in us, He is then not bound by any of His past, present or future commitments to not afford us grace by regenerating us. By our having faith in Christ, the situation is setup where God's work provides that salvation to us, the one already condemned.

Those who end up in the Lake of Fire are those who in the future have been found good for nothingness. It's not per a disciplinary action against those who rejected Christ, rather they are condemned already and the faith in Christ results in God saving us by His grace.

148 posted on 06/17/2004 5:44:46 AM PDT by Cvengr (;^))
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To: P-Marlowe
but that afterwards believers will not escape unpunished who, despising the grace of Christ, chose to have him as the Author of death rather than of life. [Emphasis added]

Is this saying that some get so far as to be believers but PRIOR TO REGENERATION fall from that state?

Or

so far as to be believers but fall from that state

or

so far as to be believers but are punished in the flesh?

158 posted on 06/17/2004 7:01:38 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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