Posted on 06/15/2004 6:53:50 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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The "World" of John 3:16 Does Not Mean "All Men Without Exception" -
Whenever anyone challenges the confession of Gods particular, exclusive love for His elect by quoting John 3:16, we must regretfully conclude that he holds the doctrinal position set forth above and wishes to confess it publicly, in order thus to overthrow the Reformed doctrine of predestination, limited atonement, total depravity, effectual grace, and the preservation of saints (which is only an elaborate way of saying, salvation by grace alone the gospel). The word, world, in the gospel of John does not mean all men without exception. Proof: John 1:29: "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." Did Christ by His death take away the sin of all men without exception? If He did, all men without exception shall be saved.This last text points out that the word, world, in the gospel of John does not always have the same meaning. In John 3:16, the world is loved by God, with a love that gives the Son of God for its sake; in John 17:9, the Son of God refuses to pray for the world. The saints must not come to an understanding of the world of John 3:16 by a quick assumption, but by careful interpretation of the passage in the light of the rest of Scripture. What then is the truth about the world of John 3:16? Loved by God with Divine, almighty, effectual, faithful, eternal love, the world is saved. All of it! All of them! Redeemed by the precious, worthy, powerful, effectual death of the Son of God, the world is saved. All of it! All of them! The salvation of all the persons included in the world of John 3:16 is due solely to the effectual love of God and the redeeming death of Christ for them; whereas the persons who perish were never loved by God, nor redeemed by Christ, that is, they are not part of the world of John 3:16. The world of John 3:16 (Greek: kosmos, from which comes our English word, cosmos, referring to our "orderly, harmonious, systematic universes) is the creation made by God in the beginning, now disordered by sin, with the elect from all nations, now by nature children of wrath even as the others, as the core of it. As regards its people, the world of John 3:16 is the new humanity in Jesus Christ, the last Adam (I Corinthians 15:45). John calls this new human race "the world" in order to show, and emphasize, that it is not from the Jewish people alone, but from all nations and peoples (Revelation 7:9). The people who make up the world of John 3:16 are all those, and those only, who will become believers (whosoever believeth"); and it is the elect who believe (Acts 13:48). This explanation of John 3:16 is not some strange, new interpretation dreamed up by latter-day hyper-Calvinists, but the explanation that has been given in the past by defenders of the Faith we call Reformed, that is, by those who confessed the sovereign grace of God in the salvation of sinners. This was the explanation given by Frances Turretin, Reformed theologian in Geneva (1623-1687): The love treated of in John 3:16. .. cannot be universal towards all and every one, but special towards a few... because the end of that love which God intends is the salvation of those whom He pursues with such love.. . If therefore God sent Christ for that end, that through Him the world might be saved, He must either have failed of His end, or the world must necessarily be saved in fact. But it is certain that not the whole world, but only those chosen out of the world are saved; therefore, to them properly has this love reference... Why then should not the world here be taken not universally for individuals, but indefinitely for anyone, Jews as well as Gentiles, without distinction of nation, language and condition. that He may be said to have loved the human race, inasmuch as He was unwilling to destroy it entirely but decreed to save some certain persons Out of it, not only from one people as before, but from all indiscriminately, although the effects of that love should not be extended to each individual, but only to some certain ones, viz, those chosen out of the world? (Theological Institutes)About the word, world, in Scripture, Abraham Kuyper, the Dutch theologian (1837-1920) wrote: For if there is anything that is certain from a somewhat more attentive reading of Holy Scripture, and that may be held as firmly established, it is, really, the irrefutable fact, that the word, world, in Holy Scripture, means "all men" only as a very rare exception and almost always means something entirely different.Essentially the same is the interpretation of Arthur W. Pink (1886-1952): Turning now to John 3:16, it should be evident from the passages just quoted that this verse will not bear the construction usually put upon it. "God so loved the world." Many suppose that this means, The entire human race. But "the entire human race" includes all mankind from Adam till the close of earths history: it reaches backward as well as forward! Consider, then, the history of mankind before Christ was born. Unnumbered millions lived and died before the Savior came to the earth, lived here "having no hope and without God in the world," and therefore passed out into eternity of woe. If God "loved" them, where is the slightest proof thereof? Scripture declares "Who (God) in times past (from the tower of Babel till after Pentecost) suffered all nations to walk in their own ways" (Acts 14:16). Scripture declares that "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient" (Rom. 1:28). To Israel God said, "You only have I known of all the families of the earth" (Amos 3:2). In view of these plain passages who will be so foolish as to insist that God in the past loved all mankind! The same applies with equal force to the future . . . But the objector comes back to John 3:16 and says, "World means world. "True, but we have shown that "the world" does not mean the whole human family. The fact is that "the world" is used in a general way.. . Now the first thing to note in connection with John 3:16 is that our Lord was there speaking to Nicodemus, a man who believed that Gods mercies were confined to his own nation. Christ there announced that Gods love in giving His Son had a larger object in view, that it flowed beyond the boundary of Palestine, reaching out to "regions beyond." In other words, this was Christs announcement that God had a purpose of grace toward Gentiles as well as Jews. "God so loved the world," then, signifies, Gods love is international in its scope. But does this mean that God loves every individual among the Gentiles? Not necessarily, for as we have seen the term "world" is general rather than specific, relative rather than absolute. . . the "world" in John 3:16 must, in the final analysis refer to the world of Gods people. Must we say, for there is no other alternative solution. It cannot mean the whole human race, for one half of the race was already in hell when Christ came to earth. It is unfair to insist that it means every human being now living, for every other passage in the New Testament where Gods love is mentioned limits it to His own people search and see! The objects of Gods love in John 3:16 are precisely the same as the objects of Christs love in John 13:1: "Now before the Feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that His time was come, that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved His own which were in the world, He loved them unto the end." We may admit that our interpretation of John 3:16 is no novel one invented by us, but one almost uniformly given by the Reformers and Puritans, and many others since them. (The Sovereignty of God)We can only marvel that Reformed men and women are so soon removed from the truth of Gods sovereign, particular, electing love in Jesus Christ, which truth has not only been confessed "by the Reformers and Puritans" before them, but has also been confessed by the Reformed church herself in her Creed, the Canons of Dordt. Who hath bewitched them? As for us, we are determined, out of love for the truth, to oppose the lie of a love of God in Jesus Christ for all men without exception; to try to rescue those who have been taken captive by this doctrine; and to preach and testify, near and far, in season and out of season, a love of God for the world that saves the world, a death of the Son of God that redeemed the world, a purpose of God for the saving of sinners that is accomplished, and a salvation of enslaved sinners by the sovereign power of the grace of God alone for the comfort of every believer and the glory of God. 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More than that. God is love.
It can, and should, when read within the context of the whole of Scripture.
Ask and you shall receive. I hope. :-)
Why do you find it so distasteful that God doesn't love everybody, but hates the workers of iniquity as God's Word says?
I suggest that you read into Scripture your own philosophy which reflects your own feelings.
Mom, if God is perfect and is love, then His love is also perfect. Perfect love means it would extend to anyone and everyone.
Indeed the closer we are to God, the more able we are to love everyone, not just those we like. This is because we are putting on/exhibiting the perfect love of God.
He who does not love does not know God; for God is love.
In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent His only Son into the world, so that we might live through Him.
In this is love, not that we loved God but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the expiation for our sins.
Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No man has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and His love is perfected in us.
By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His own Spirit.
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent His Son as the Savior of the World. Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
So we know and believe the love God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
In this is love perfected with us, that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as He is so are we in this world.
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and he who fears is not perfected in love.
We love, because He first loved us.
(I John 4:7-19)
Interesting. Someone posts an article about how God has no love whatsoever for the un-elect. You disagree strongly with that article (as, I would suspect, do most of the GRPL members). I simply point out how you, as member #55 of the GRPL do not agree with Engelsma's EXTREME position (defined by Philip Johnson as a hyper-Calvinist position) and you rag on me for stirring the pot.
I was just being observant. Seems to me that you were the one stirring the pot against Engelsma and his position (either that or the person who posted the article was attempting to stir the pot against those who believe that God has a love for all mankind.)
I suspect that more members of the GRPL agree with you than agree with Engelsma. But then I've been wrong before.
Carry on.
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Marlowe
GRPL reject #2
Psalm 5 says God hates the workers of iniquity and they are destined for destruction.
But the semi-Pelagians here still insist that God loves everyone without exception when God says He doesn't.
I guess they think God was lying when He said He hated Esau before he was born or did anything too.
Malachi 1
1 The burden[1] of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.
2 "I have loved you," says the LORD.
"Yet you say, "In what way have You loved us?'
Was not Esau Jacob's brother?"
Says the LORD.
"Yet Jacob I have loved;
3But Esau I have hated,
And laid waste his mountains and his heritage For the jackals of the wilderness."
Romans 9
Howard Finster
Calvinism is not the Gospel. If it were, there could be no Christian non-Calvinists, and anyone who rejected the 5 points would be rightly termed heretics.
Your posting history precedes you.
If you want to talk about "stirring the pot," this very article, with its provocative title and content, does precisely that.
What history is that?
The word in question is "Kosmos." It means all that is, in totality.
The article makes quite a sleight of hand. Even if one were to take up the straw man position, that "the world" means simply, "everyone," than look how well that fits into the passages provided:
"For God so loved [everyone], that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
"Behold the lamb of God, who takes away the sins of [everyone]."
"I do not pray for [everyone], but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine."
Of course, Kosmos does not mean everyone, and even non-Calvinists are rarely universalists. The Catholic Church condemnes universalism, for instance. But Kosmos does mean "the world," in totality, even if not each and every part of the world.... we know He does not love evil. Jesus can love the world, without promising universal salvation.
And he orders us to do likewise. We are told, "Love thy neighbor." Not, "love thy neighbors who are just" or "love thy neighbors who accept the gospel" or "love thy nieghbors who shall become Christians later on." Rather, he tells us to "love thy enemies"... as *he* did.
I don't disagree - my original post was edited significantly and I decided to keep my commentary on the motivations for these kinds of postings out of it for the time being.
Uh-huh. Right.
And just to clarify:
"God loved the world in this way: that He sent his only son, so that those (of the world, which he did love) who believe shall not perish, but have eternal life."
Notice also that the sentence DOES place a qualification on salvation: belief. But notice that the condition belongs to the human, and not (directly) to God. (Of course, the human belongs to God, and does not do what God does not ordain him to do.)
Now, I'm not advocating the heresy that man is the agent of his own salvation: it is true that no man can believe unless the Holy Spirit moves him to faith. But this verse, and many, many others present believers as making a decision, not being inert receivers.
The verse could say, "...so that those to whom faith has been given..." It does not. It says, "...so that whosoever believes..."
No, Colleen, you take it too far.
"All," as used in Timothy does not refer to each and every individual, but to every portion of the whole. IOW: "All people" people of every categorization, not each and every individual. The bible says, "then went all of Judea to be baptized." There were over a million people in Judea. Did John Baptise each and every one of them? Did Caiaphas and Annas get baptised by John? Of course not.
Actually, it says neither.
The Greek says, i/na pas o/ piste/uwn eis au/ton m/h apo/letai . (ina pas o pistenon auton me apoletai). A literal rendering would be "that all that believe in him might not be destroyed." The sense of Jn. 3:16 in the literal Greek, as I understand it, is that who believe will not perish. Universality does not really enter into the equation in Jn. 3:16 in the Greek.
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