Posted on 06/15/2004 6:53:50 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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The "World" of John 3:16 Does Not Mean "All Men Without Exception" -
Whenever anyone challenges the confession of Gods particular, exclusive love for His elect by quoting John 3:16, we must regretfully conclude that he holds the doctrinal position set forth above and wishes to confess it publicly, in order thus to overthrow the Reformed doctrine of predestination, limited atonement, total depravity, effectual grace, and the preservation of saints (which is only an elaborate way of saying, salvation by grace alone the gospel). The word, world, in the gospel of John does not mean all men without exception. Proof: John 1:29: "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." Did Christ by His death take away the sin of all men without exception? If He did, all men without exception shall be saved.This last text points out that the word, world, in the gospel of John does not always have the same meaning. In John 3:16, the world is loved by God, with a love that gives the Son of God for its sake; in John 17:9, the Son of God refuses to pray for the world. The saints must not come to an understanding of the world of John 3:16 by a quick assumption, but by careful interpretation of the passage in the light of the rest of Scripture. What then is the truth about the world of John 3:16? Loved by God with Divine, almighty, effectual, faithful, eternal love, the world is saved. All of it! All of them! Redeemed by the precious, worthy, powerful, effectual death of the Son of God, the world is saved. All of it! All of them! The salvation of all the persons included in the world of John 3:16 is due solely to the effectual love of God and the redeeming death of Christ for them; whereas the persons who perish were never loved by God, nor redeemed by Christ, that is, they are not part of the world of John 3:16. The world of John 3:16 (Greek: kosmos, from which comes our English word, cosmos, referring to our "orderly, harmonious, systematic universes) is the creation made by God in the beginning, now disordered by sin, with the elect from all nations, now by nature children of wrath even as the others, as the core of it. As regards its people, the world of John 3:16 is the new humanity in Jesus Christ, the last Adam (I Corinthians 15:45). John calls this new human race "the world" in order to show, and emphasize, that it is not from the Jewish people alone, but from all nations and peoples (Revelation 7:9). The people who make up the world of John 3:16 are all those, and those only, who will become believers (whosoever believeth"); and it is the elect who believe (Acts 13:48). This explanation of John 3:16 is not some strange, new interpretation dreamed up by latter-day hyper-Calvinists, but the explanation that has been given in the past by defenders of the Faith we call Reformed, that is, by those who confessed the sovereign grace of God in the salvation of sinners. This was the explanation given by Frances Turretin, Reformed theologian in Geneva (1623-1687): The love treated of in John 3:16. .. cannot be universal towards all and every one, but special towards a few... because the end of that love which God intends is the salvation of those whom He pursues with such love.. . If therefore God sent Christ for that end, that through Him the world might be saved, He must either have failed of His end, or the world must necessarily be saved in fact. But it is certain that not the whole world, but only those chosen out of the world are saved; therefore, to them properly has this love reference... Why then should not the world here be taken not universally for individuals, but indefinitely for anyone, Jews as well as Gentiles, without distinction of nation, language and condition. that He may be said to have loved the human race, inasmuch as He was unwilling to destroy it entirely but decreed to save some certain persons Out of it, not only from one people as before, but from all indiscriminately, although the effects of that love should not be extended to each individual, but only to some certain ones, viz, those chosen out of the world? (Theological Institutes)About the word, world, in Scripture, Abraham Kuyper, the Dutch theologian (1837-1920) wrote: For if there is anything that is certain from a somewhat more attentive reading of Holy Scripture, and that may be held as firmly established, it is, really, the irrefutable fact, that the word, world, in Holy Scripture, means "all men" only as a very rare exception and almost always means something entirely different.Essentially the same is the interpretation of Arthur W. Pink (1886-1952): Turning now to John 3:16, it should be evident from the passages just quoted that this verse will not bear the construction usually put upon it. "God so loved the world." Many suppose that this means, The entire human race. But "the entire human race" includes all mankind from Adam till the close of earths history: it reaches backward as well as forward! Consider, then, the history of mankind before Christ was born. Unnumbered millions lived and died before the Savior came to the earth, lived here "having no hope and without God in the world," and therefore passed out into eternity of woe. If God "loved" them, where is the slightest proof thereof? Scripture declares "Who (God) in times past (from the tower of Babel till after Pentecost) suffered all nations to walk in their own ways" (Acts 14:16). Scripture declares that "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient" (Rom. 1:28). To Israel God said, "You only have I known of all the families of the earth" (Amos 3:2). In view of these plain passages who will be so foolish as to insist that God in the past loved all mankind! The same applies with equal force to the future . . . But the objector comes back to John 3:16 and says, "World means world. "True, but we have shown that "the world" does not mean the whole human family. The fact is that "the world" is used in a general way.. . Now the first thing to note in connection with John 3:16 is that our Lord was there speaking to Nicodemus, a man who believed that Gods mercies were confined to his own nation. Christ there announced that Gods love in giving His Son had a larger object in view, that it flowed beyond the boundary of Palestine, reaching out to "regions beyond." In other words, this was Christs announcement that God had a purpose of grace toward Gentiles as well as Jews. "God so loved the world," then, signifies, Gods love is international in its scope. But does this mean that God loves every individual among the Gentiles? Not necessarily, for as we have seen the term "world" is general rather than specific, relative rather than absolute. . . the "world" in John 3:16 must, in the final analysis refer to the world of Gods people. Must we say, for there is no other alternative solution. It cannot mean the whole human race, for one half of the race was already in hell when Christ came to earth. It is unfair to insist that it means every human being now living, for every other passage in the New Testament where Gods love is mentioned limits it to His own people search and see! The objects of Gods love in John 3:16 are precisely the same as the objects of Christs love in John 13:1: "Now before the Feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that His time was come, that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved His own which were in the world, He loved them unto the end." We may admit that our interpretation of John 3:16 is no novel one invented by us, but one almost uniformly given by the Reformers and Puritans, and many others since them. (The Sovereignty of God)We can only marvel that Reformed men and women are so soon removed from the truth of Gods sovereign, particular, electing love in Jesus Christ, which truth has not only been confessed "by the Reformers and Puritans" before them, but has also been confessed by the Reformed church herself in her Creed, the Canons of Dordt. Who hath bewitched them? As for us, we are determined, out of love for the truth, to oppose the lie of a love of God in Jesus Christ for all men without exception; to try to rescue those who have been taken captive by this doctrine; and to preach and testify, near and far, in season and out of season, a love of God for the world that saves the world, a death of the Son of God that redeemed the world, a purpose of God for the saving of sinners that is accomplished, and a salvation of enslaved sinners by the sovereign power of the grace of God alone for the comfort of every believer and the glory of God. 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Absolutely wrong.
The Holy Spirit does all the heavy lifting in leading lost people towards Christ, using whomever He will.
Great, I knew the source. That is not what I asked. Have you read Calvin's commentaries?
Your brother,
Christian.
Yes it was.
And he uses the willing, does he not? And those who are willing must do the labor.
Luk 10:2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.
Let's try this one more time: Have you read the source?
Your brother,
Christian.
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Calvin's CommentariesCompleteFrom the Calvin Translation Society edition |
The "source" is John 3:16, and yes, I have read it. As a matter of fact, I have it memorized.
We are condemned already,...in other words, you have to be condemned before you are saved,..so the reason for condemnation is so much that they are non-believers, but rather that they do not have a living spirit. Receipt of that living spirit is very simple, because Christ has already been judged for all sin. Whereever God might find righteousness in us, He is then not bound by any of His past, present or future commitments to not afford us grace by regenerating us. By our having faith in Christ, the situation is setup where God's work provides that salvation to us, the one already condemned.
Those who end up in the Lake of Fire are those who in the future have been found good for nothingness. It's not per a disciplinary action against those who rejected Christ, rather they are condemned already and the faith in Christ results in God saving us by His grace.
so much...should read 'not so much'
I was just quoting Calvin. I'm not here to argue doctrine. Calvin may be wrong. I may be wrong. You may be wrong. I just made the observation that Calvin was more or less in agreement with California74's statement. Maybe I misread it. It seemed pretty plain to me.
"The whole reason the non-believer is condemned is because they don't believe that Christ died on the cross for them! Because they REJECT Christ - the free gift to save their souls."So the best method to save souls is to hide the gospel quickly and make sure nobody ever hears it again, since the criteria for condemnation is rejection of the gospel. No gospel to reject, no condemnation.
;-)
Priest: "No, not if you didn't know."
Eskimo: "Then why did you tell us?"
LOL, poor Eskimos.
Jude!!!
Is that Calvin speaking in those John quotes?
If so...WOW!
That should read: Jude {!}{!}{!}
Quoting Charles Spurgeon: "It would not be possible for me too earnestly to press upon you the importance of reading the expositions of that prince among men, John Calvin..." Quoting Arminius: "I affirm that he excels beyond comparison in the interpretation of Scripture, and that his commentaries ought to be more highly valued than all that is handed down to us by the Library of the Fathers; so that I acknowledge him to have possessed above most others, or rather above all other men, what may be called an eminent gift of prophecy" [from Spurgeon's "Commenting and Commentaries", 1876].
I would consider that an endorsement by Arminius for Calvin to be admitted to the KOETT, wouldn't you?
Is this saying that some get so far as to be believers but PRIOR TO REGENERATION fall from that state?
Or
so far as to be believers but fall from that state
or
so far as to be believers but are punished in the flesh?
Arminius endorses Calvin to the Koett.
Jude endorses Jude to the Koett!
{!}
Amazing...these are some extremely thought-provoking quotes.
I am no teenager, but I am the "new convert"-- just a bit over a year ago now. And, I've realized through my own experience that theological minutae brings no one to Christ. My family is, to varying degrees, "lost", and I realized almost immediately upon my own transformation that the only way I could reach them was by modeling Christ every minute of every day of my life. Of course, I fail miserably at that, but each day I try afresh, and bit by bit, we're all of us following Him more and more each day. I read and study, but try never to preach-- I just use what I learn to improve my own behavior, and to answer questions when they arise.
And so, God is working in our lives! The outcome is not in doubt.
And, that's why these kinds of theological arguments bother me-- I know that if any of my family were to read them, they would be alienated and the cause of Christ would be set back immeasurably. Only those whose faith is already strong can pass by this stuff with a sigh.
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