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To: #3Fan
Even under that it's still a public act because they were commmissioned by the legislatures. Regardless, secession is a public act.

No. The legislatures were exercising there delegated duty to call for elections to convention. That was a public act. Once convened, the conventions enacted their own act - not as legislators - but as representatives of the sovereign of the state - the people. Article VII recognized the sovereign acts of the states as superior to legislative/public acts, "[t]he Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same."

They were commissioned by the legislatures, simple as that. Regardless, secession is a public act.

See above.

Article IV delegates that power to Congress. You admitted as much before.

Article IV delegates the power to the federal congress as to the "proof" of state acts in other states. It cannot "prove" state acts affecting only the state itself. Congress is not delegated the power to "prove" sovereign acts.

The Constitution says "laws" not "law". So the Congress definitely has the power to guide how a state proves it's acts as Article IV says. Secession is not a simple marriage, it's a public act.

Correct on 1st part [laws], correct on second [proving state acts], wrong on third [public act]. See above. Also, the Supremacy clause fails to put the US Constitution above the sovereign of the several states - the people. The people crafted their state constitutions, and the federal Constitution - which are subservient to the people of the state.

787 posted on 03/16/2004 1:06:13 PM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. I approve this message. (||)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
No. The legislatures were exercising there delegated duty to call for elections to convention. That was a public act. Once convened, the conventions enacted their own act - not as legislators - but as representatives of the sovereign of the state - the people. Article VII recognized the sovereign acts of the states as superior to legislative/public acts, "[t]he Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same."

Secession was a public act. You're just trying to sow confusion because the words of Article IV are against you.

Article IV delegates the power to the federal congress as to the "proof" of state acts in other states. It cannot "prove" state acts affecting only the state itself. Congress is not delegated the power to "prove" sovereign acts.

Article IV clearly says that Congress can guide how states prove their acts. Secession affects all states obviously, they all had investments in the property stolen by the Confederacy, not to mention investments in safety.

Correct on 1st part [laws], correct on second [proving state acts], wrong on third [public act]. See above. Also, the Supremacy clause fails to put the US Constitution above the sovereign of the several states - the people. The people crafted their state constitutions, and the federal Constitution - which are subservient to the people of the state.

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land and secession is a public act.

What you're engaging in is what I consider a great evil of these times, the evil of confusion. Right is made wrong and wrong is made right by those who twist the simple words of law that we live by. Anything can rationalized when people engage in what you're engaging in, the twisting of the meaning of simple words.

789 posted on 03/16/2004 1:21:20 PM PST by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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