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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Great atrocities [PLURAL} do not refer to the same event.

OK, there's two. Where's the other 1998?

Your estimate is too low ;o)

What estimate? I've given no number, I just want documentation for your "thousands" for Sherman's men alone.

How many times have you "officially" recieved a ticket for a traffic offense? Now how many times have you broke a traffic law without being ticketed?

Rape is not speeding. It takes a criminal mind to rape. That's what makes your accusations extraordinary and therefore requires that you document them.

If you could comprehend English, you just read what Lee wrote.

Again Lee would've attacked supplies. Show me where it's illegal to attack supplies.

His state seceded. His allegiance was to his state. Maybe they didn't want to be forced to pray to Lincoln.

Pray for Lincoln. Again you prove you deceptiveness by twisting the words of others. Nothing you say can be trusted obviously.

You would fit in wonderfully with the Gestapo. That document we have, the Constitution, has a section in it about "freedom of speech." It was put in by the founders primarily to allow the populace to express their dissatisfaction of the government without fear of reprisal.

In times of rebellion, the president has the power to save the country from traitors or possible traitors. The South should've learned about freedom and not seceded for slavery.

This from someone who wrote: "Death to Tyrants!"

You don't agree with that? You want to change Virginia's flag?

Not hardly. Lincoln is on record as favoring the Corwin amendment and making slavery PERMANENT.

He was trying to preserve the union. Any amendment can be repealed and Lincoln knew that.

Let's see, unable to win honorably on the battlefield in 4 years, the Yankees resorted to waging war against innocent women and children, the theft of millions in property, the wanton destruction of churchs and private property, and then attempted to starve the Confederacy into submission.

So you consider Ike and Truman dishonorable also? You're just whining because when the South asked for war, Sherman gave them exactly what they asked for.

New Jersey enumerated 18 slaves in the 1860 census.

3,999,982 less than the South.

Slavery was legal in the United States, Lincoln supported a union making it PERMANENT.

Lincoln was compromising to save the union and knew any amendment could be repealed later.

There was no need to secede to continue slavery.

The Declarations state that slavery was the reason for secession.

I'm aware there are nuts in every crowd. Anyone who supports an amendment to keep ANY people enslaved is a disgrace.

Glad to see you admit the South was a disgrace. Lincoln acted to save the union knowing that any amendment could be repealed.

306 posted on 03/02/2004 8:22:56 AM PST by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: #3Fan; 4ConservativeJustices
Lincoln acted to save the union knowing that any amendment could be repealed.

You state this three times in one reply.

Time to show your evidence that Lincoln planned the eventual repeal.

317 posted on 03/02/2004 9:37:35 AM PST by Gianni (Please, use the word "reality" in quotes at all times.)
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To: #3Fan
Rape is not speeding. It takes a criminal mind to rape.

According to Thomas Lowry and his wife Beverly, there were four types of courts-martial in the Union army: general, regimental, garrison, and drumhead. The records researched contain only general courts-martial, formal records for the other 3 types are not within the papers, or are missing in their entireity.

Lowry notes that many of the crimes covered by the "conduct prejudicial" charge include assault and rape. Rapes could be among the possible Section 134 offenses, viz:

Assault-indecent (the accused assaulted a certain person with the intent to gratify the lust or sexual desires of the accused)
Assault with intent to commit rape (the accused must have intended to overcome any resistance by force, and to complete the rape)
Assault with intent to commit sodomy (an assault against a human being and must be committed with a specific intent to commit sodomy)
Indecent acts or liberties with a child (the accused committed a certain act upon or with the body of a certain person under 16 years of age and not the spouse of the accused, the act of the accused was indecent, the accused committed the act with intent to arouse, appeal to, or gratify the lust, passions, or sexual desires of the accused)
Indecent acts with another (the accused committed a certain wrongful act with a certain person, the act was indecent [grossly vulgar, obscene, and repugnant to common propriety])
The courts-martial (guilty verdicts) for "conduct prejudicial" number 11,834, of which a significant portion would include the above offenses. And finally, Lowry notes that the usual definition of rape did not normally apply to slaves.
385 posted on 03/03/2004 9:39:09 AM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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