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To: #3Fan
See, that's what I mean. An accusation of murder should have some evidence or logic behind it. Wild accusations of murder qualify for tinfoil.

Sigh. Please read the statement whch preceded your reply. [For clarification, I did not state that the justice was killed, only that he was hung in an attempt to force him to divulge the location.]

You Spent a whole thread talking about about a black southerner fighting for the Confederacy acting as if he was the norm.

A post of a man who was proud of his ancestor. But it was not an isolated incident:

The next recorded organization of negroes, especially as Rebel soldiers, was at Mobile, toward Autumn; and two or three months later, the following telegram was flashed over the length and breadth of the rejoicing Confederacy:
"New Orleans, Nov. 23, 1861. "Over 28,000 troops were reviewed today by Gov. Moore, Maj. Gen. Lowell, and Brig.-Gen. Ruggles. The line was over seven miles long. One regiment comprised 1,400 free colored men."
The (Rebel) Legislature of Virginia was engaged, so early as Feb. 4, 1862, on a bill to enroll all the free negroes in the State, for service in the Rebel forces; which was favored by all who discussed it; when it passed to its engrossment, and probably became a law.
Horace Greeley, The American conflict: A History of the Great Rebellion in the United States of America, 1860-'65: Its Causes, Incidents, and Results: Intended to Exhibit Especially Its Moral and Political Phases, With the Drift and Progress of American Opinion Respecting Human Slavery From 1776 to the Close of the War for the Union, Hartford, CN: O. D. Case & Co., Vol. 2, p. 522.

Again, you said that Winbush proves yankees had their facts wrong.

Well duh. If blacks, slave and free, fought for the Confederacy that speaks volumes about the true causes of the war - to many it was that arrogant yankees attempted to dictate their attitudes and beliefs on the country, and failed to abide by the terms of their agreement.

But for the sake of argument, slavery was already legal. The South had no need to secede to continue it - there were not enough states against it to pass an amendment, and Lincoln himself signed and amendment that would have made slavery permanent.

War was gentlemanly?!

Please, I wrote that modern warfare was gentlemanly per accepted international laws & treaties. The Lieber Code attempted to legalize the attack and destruction of civilian property. See the decision by Taney cited previously which recognizes that civilian property is not a legimate target of war.

All the South lost were inanimate objects.

Hundreds of thousands of homes and farms were leveled, entire cities were destroyed, thousands of women were raped, property stolen, numerous slaves murdered, civilian livestock slaughtered for no reason, the women & children of Roswell enslaved and sent north, nunneries and churches looted and destroyed, and entire populations were left to starve to death or to freeze.

That you delight in such men, or consider their actions trivial speaks volumes.

It was rebellion.

So? The court still had ruled the taking/destruction of civilian property illegal.

Yeah right, that's beyond the pale. Like I said, tinfoil.

Does Lincoln need Heavy-duty or regular? It was what he said.

116 posted on 02/27/2004 6:35:29 AM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices; #3Fan
Sigh. Please read the statement whch preceded your reply. [For clarification, I did not state that the justice was killed, only that he was hung in an attempt to force him to divulge the location.]

Weak, 4CJ. Very weak. You claim he was hung without any sort of qualifier, and that implies executed. So was he executed? Did he live? Did it even happen at all?

Hundreds of thousands of homes and farms were leveled, entire cities were destroyed, thousands of women were raped, property stolen, numerous slaves murdered, civilian livestock slaughtered for no reason, the women & children of Roswell enslaved and sent north, nunneries and churches looted and destroyed, and entire populations were left to starve to death or to freeze.

Hundreds of thousands? In your day job do you do crowd estimates for the government for things like the Million Man March?

119 posted on 02/27/2004 6:47:15 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Sigh. Please read the statement whch preceded your reply. [For clarification, I did not state that the justice was killed, only that he was hung in an attempt to force him to divulge the location.]

So you also admit to misleading statements. But still it is a wild accusation that you didn't have a link on hand to show what you were saying wasn't some crazy delusion.

A post of a man who was proud of his ancestor. But it was not an isolated incident:

But out of the norm. You said he proves that yankees don't have the facts and that slavery wasn't the cause of secession. One soldier fighting for little dictators proves nothing. There are nuts in every crowd and this soldier had no sense of heritage.

Well duh. If blacks, slave and free, fought for the Confederacy that speaks volumes about the true causes of the war

See, that's where you're delusional. His presence doesn't wipe out what was officially declared in the Declarations. Some will support tyranny, even when it's not in their best interest or the interest of their people.

- to many it was that arrogant yankees attempted to dictate their attitudes and beliefs on the country, and failed to abide by the terms of their agreement.

LOL Yeah, we felt that people shouldn't own other people in a free country, we're funny that way.

But for the sake of argument, slavery was already legal. The South had no need to secede to continue it

Then why did they officially declare that that was their reason? Because they knew the new Republican Party was going to wipe out slavery one way or the other. That's why the Republican Party was formed.

- there were not enough states against it to pass an amendment, and Lincoln himself signed and amendment that would have made slavery permanent.

There was no amendment passed during Lincoln's time in the presidency. You're making up things again. lol

Please, I wrote that modern warfare was gentlemanly per accepted international laws & treaties. The Lieber Code attempted to legalize the attack and destruction of civilian property. See the decision by Taney cited previously which recognizes that civilian property is not a legimate target of war.

What??? War has never been "gentlemanly". It wasn't gentlemanly before 1865 and it wasn't after. More delusion. Like I said, look at what the most civilized people in trhe world, the British, did to the Highlanders. I would say southerners got treated better than any vanquished people up to that time.

Hundreds of thousands of homes and farms were leveled, entire cities were destroyed, thousands of women were raped,...

You're going to have to cite cases of these rapes. I've seen one case reported.

...property stolen, numerous slaves murdered, civilian livestock slaughtered for no reason, the women & children of Roswell enslaved and sent north, nunneries and churches looted and destroyed, and entire populations were left to starve to death or to freeze.

War is hell, it's how wars are won. If the South didn't want war, they shouldn't have fired on Sumter and stole federal property, and they should've followed the constitution in their attempts to secede.

That you delight in such men, or consider their actions trivial speaks volumes.

I delight in men that can win wars saving the lives in the long run. Sherman's actions saved hundreds of thousands, just as Truman's did.

So? The court still had ruled the taking/destruction of civilian property illegal.

Doesn't apply to rebellions. Are you against the police taking a gun from a robber when they apprehend him?

Does Lincoln need Heavy-duty or regular? It was what he said.

The Republican Party was formed to halt the advance of slavery. If Lincoln's only motivation was money, he would've stayed a Whig or became a Democrat. You guys have engulfed your lifes into 140 years in the past to the point of posting the same thing day after day for up to six years now that you've lost touch with reality and you can't discern truth. Like I said, you used to be one of the sane ones, but now you throw stuff out there that is just as delusional as some of the crazys from 4 years ago.

123 posted on 02/27/2004 7:24:11 AM PST by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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