Posted on 02/25/2004 11:52:26 AM PST by 4CJ
Effective range of what, 100 feet? Against a fort? This thread is very, very entertaining, and educational ;o)
I'm going to have to throw away ALL my history books </sarcasm>
With the exception of the men-of-war and tugs, the whole expedition was to be complete on board the steamer Baltic, and its success depended upon the possibility of running past batteries at night, which were distant from the center of the channel 1,300 yards. I depended upon the barbette guns of Sumter to keep the channel between Morris and Sullivan's islands clear of rebel vessels at the time of entering.Fox Report, February 24, 1865, at page 246 of the records.
As you can see, the plan was to sneak between the batteries which would then be 1,300 yards to either side, or approximately three-fourths of a mile.
Prior to the attack, homing pigeons had been obtained from the location of each battery. The plan was to release kamikaze homing pigeons with attached grenades set to go off on impact. The plan would have worked but the pigeons were not used to the sake they were given during prep for flight launch and they all lost their bearings and flew south to Pensacola. This was reported by "Fleet Admiral" Fox to be due to unexpected but successful Confederate countermeasures, but this is not true.
Of course, the tugs did not get there. These were to be armed with three batteries of guns capable of destroying the cliffs at Navarone.
This brilliant gunship tug design of "Fleet Admiral" Fox was later used to create battleships.
The 16-inch guns mounted on these tugs had remarkable range and effectiveness for a gun with a barrel that was only one-foot, four-inches long. This was aided by a computer guidance system.
The munitions were perfected during the war of 1812 when they caught an alligator and filled his mouth with cannonballs and powdered his behind. This particular method had to be abandoned because of complications. When they set the powder off, the gator lost his mind and PETA filed a complaint. However, the powder design itself was a huge success. It was lamented that these formidible fighting tugs were not available.
Thus, they were forced to consider the armed and fortified stealth rowboats. These carried three turrrets with 3 armed Viking warriors. The main battery was Hillary Clinton strapped to the forecastle emitting a banshee screech which turned enemy fighting sailors into pillars of salt. This was to disable rebel vessels in the channel. This plan was foiled by Confederates who created a Rush Limbaugh clone to drown her out.
This left the Armed Vikings with their Tomahawk missiles, and the fighting sailors shooting muskets from a rolling rowboat in stormy seas, at a target three-quarters of a mile away.
Unfortunately, nobody planned on the shore batteries being able to reduce the fort to rubble in 48 hours. It had been thought that the PATRIOT Anti-Missile system would shoot down all the Confederate SOVEREIGNTY missiles, but the system proved less than 100% effective. It was subsequently determined that insufficient funding had hampered research and development. This was addressed by implementing a huge central government, new forms of taxation such as the Income Tax, and funding research and development in every congressman's district.
Horton would be proud! I can see it now, thousands of kamikaze homing pigeons released from the three tugs towing the three ship toward the island. The massive 1'4" guns would destroy the Confederates/Charleston in a matter of years, the 300 Vikings each swimming ashore with a days ration ...
Bwahahahahahahahaha!
A return thanks for your service brother and you and I both know what liberty means.
What are you mad about?
I told dwills to change his sreen name to dweeb because that is about as much as he knows about the Constitution and Founders' intent. They are the ones who give me cause to wonder why I spent all those years to protect their dumb asses.
Next time don't bother if all you're going to do is use it for the rest of your life to bang people over the head with like Hanoi Kerry does.
Are you speaking of "In another life"? Since I've retired from active duty I seriously doubt I would have to bother "next time". No I don't beat people over the head with it, but you I might consider doing that.
Tu urbanus vero scurra, deliciae populi. Merus stupor!
Sure, we got another life coming. 1000 years of it. Don't bother saving me in that one, I don't need it from you. I don't want to hear 1000 years of complaining, 50 years of it is bad enough here.
Since I've retired from active duty I seriously doubt I would have to bother "next time". No I don't beat people over the head with it,...
You do just like Kerry does. The heros I respect are those that fight for their country, not those that fight to give themselves something to bang people over the head with or to win elections.
...but you I might consider doing that.
A natural instinct of those that don't have facts on their side. Those without truth rage against those that do have wisdom and truth.
It's illogical to think that there was no right of the staying states to seek separation terms. Seceding states stole property bought and paid for partially by the staying states. They should've followed Article IV in their attempt to secede.
It depends on where you think the seat of power lies - does it lay with the government or the people?! Where did the Founders say that it laid? "Governments are created by consent of the governed."
Quod minimum specimen in te ingenii? Vin iam faciam ut stultividum esse tu te fateare?
As for your comparing me to Kerry, you really are the quintessential cretin! I served honorably, didn't stab my fellow veterans in the back like he did. As for your disparaging remarks about not wanting me to defend you, no worries there pal - I wouldn't dream of it. I don't make it a habit of going to bat twice for rat ba*tards!
Non tu tibi istam praetruncari linguam largiloquam iubes?
Any state that agreed to the Constitution agreed to follows it's laws.
As for your comparing me to Kerry, you really are the quintessential cretin! I served honorably, didn't stab my fellow veterans in the back like he did.
Never said you didn't. You resemble Kerry in that you use your service to bash others simplemindedly though. I respect those that served to serve their country, not those that served just to bash others.
As for your disparaging remarks about not wanting me to defend you, no worries there pal - I wouldn't dream of it. I don't make it a habit of going to bat twice for rat ba*tards!
You're the last person I need any help from. I want support from the just, not the unjust. Any support from the unjust is an abomination. Better to die than to be saved by the unjust. As I said, you remind me of Kerry, who is a rat bastard, in that you complain, complain, complain now. I respect those that served not to complain, but to defend their country pureheartedly.
While honoring and respecting our servicepeople may not be a cornerstone of conservative thought, it is something that conservatives habitually do. This is because we are smarter than dimwit idiots who denegrate those who protect our lives, preserve our freedoms, and represent our best hopes for a better world. Yes, that even includes Kerry, who's service we can respect in spite of our distaste for his other actions.
You are a frog who hopes that a kiss from a princess will magically elevate him to the level of troll. While others respond with rage, know that you have my pity.
Good night from the heartland... Gianni out.
Respect faking three wounds? Respect getting out on a technicality? Respect writing himself medals? Respect giving himself a medal when it was his machine-gunner that killed the mortar launcher? He went over there just to get some pictures taken in a boat so he could pose like Kennedy and was surprised when the swift boat's mission got redefined, and then complained that the swift boats shouldn't engage the enemy. Sorry, I don't respect that.
You are a frog who hopes that a kiss from a princess will magically elevate him to the level of troll. While others respond with rage, know that you have my pity.
You're pro-slaver.
I served out of a sense of duty! You wouldn't know anything about honor, duty, and the higher ideals. You are a mindless puppet who loves to slander those who at least gave of themselves for a higher ideal. Go back and study your Constitutional debates as I said before. Come back and talk with me when you grow a brain.
"Duty is the most sublime word in our language. Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more. You should never wish to do less."
"A true man of honor feels humbled himself when he cannot help humbling others." And I feel a little humble right now! Not because of anything you've said though.
You don't seem to know anything about those either that you complain, complain, complain now. If you served for a sense of duty, why are you complaining now?
You are a mindless puppet who loves to slander those who at least gave of themselves for a higher ideal.
What higher ideal? It seems to me that you served for the same reason Kerry served.
Go back and study your Constitutional debates as I said before. Come back and talk with me when you grow a brain.
I went back to our first posts to each other on this thread to try to see why you're so angry at me and in your first posts to me you raged and I hadn't even made any statements to you besides factual, analytical statements. This tells me that you can't have intelligent conversations. You hear truth and you rage.
"Duty is the most sublime word in our language. Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more. You should never wish to do less."
Part of duty is to hold true to purpose. If you ever had a sense of duty, you certainly shed it and have taken on the same purpose Kerry has taken, to bash and complain.
"A true man of honor feels humbled himself when he cannot help humbling others." And I feel a little humble right now! Not because of anything you've said though.
You have shown no humbleness on this thread. All you've done is toot your own horn. I've always thought that if you have to toot your own horn, there may not be that much to toot over.
Who did you think you were talking to, Non-Seq?
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