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An opposing view: Descendant of black Confederate soldier speaks at museum
Thomasville Times-Enterprise ^ | 24 Feb 2004 | Mark Lastinger

Posted on 02/25/2004 11:52:26 AM PST by 4CJ

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To: nolu chan
YEP!

he/she/it is a real "piece of work".

in one skin you seemingly have an ignorant,arrogant,racist,semi-literate,insensitive DUMBbunny, who will neither listen to nor learn the TRUTH.

sounds like a damnyankee to me.

BUT i'm really glad he/she/it is around as it lets me post the TRUTH to smarter people here.

AND every hatefilled, stupid post of the lunatic unionist fringe CONVERTS more Freepers to SOUTHRONS!

that is a GOOD thing!

free dixie,sw

1,181 posted on 03/22/2004 8:51:57 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: Gianni; #3Fan; nolu chan
The "insurrection" in Texas wasn't declared over by President Johnson until August 20, 1866 (Presidential Proclamation Declaring War Over).

From the proclamation:

And whereas, the President of the United States, by further proclamation issued on the second day of April, one thousand eight hundred and sixty-six, did promulgate and declare, that there no longer existed any armed resistance of misguided citizens, or others, to the authority of the United States in any, or in all the States before mentioned, excepting only the State of Texas, and did further promulgate and declare that the laws could be sustained and enforced in the several States before mentioned, except Texas, by the proper civil authorities, State, or Federal, and that the people of the said States, except Texas, are well and loyally disposed, and have conformed or will conform in their legislation to the condition of affairs growing out of the amendment to the Constitution of the United States, prohibiting slavery within the limits and jurisdiction of the United States;

...And whereas, subsequently to the said second day of April, one thousand eight hundred and sixty-six, the insurrection in the State of Texas has been completely and everywhere suppressed and ended, and the authority of the United States has been successfully and completely established in the said State of Texas, and now remains therein unresisted and undisputed, and such of the proper United States officers as have been duly commissioned within the limits of the said State, are now in undisturbed exercise of their official functions;

...Now, therefore, I, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare that the insurrection which heretofore existed in the State of Texas is at an end, and is to be henceforth so regarded in that State, as in the other States before named, in which the said insurrection was proclaimed to be at an end, by the aforesaid proclamation of the second day of April, one thousand eight hundred and sixty-six.

...Done at the city of Washington this twentieth day of August, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-six, and of the Independence of the United States of America the ninety-first.

[signed ANDREW JOHNSON]


1,182 posted on 03/22/2004 9:08:24 AM PST by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
Great catch!
1,183 posted on 03/22/2004 9:10:26 AM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
I want one of those coins she hates.

The desire to find one has been the only 'plus' from reading the book.

Stone Mountain Commemerative Coins on Ebay

Looks like they run from about $30 up to around $200.


1,184 posted on 03/22/2004 9:35:33 AM PST by Gianni (Sarcasm, the other white meat.)
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To: Gianni; 4ConservativeJustices
P.S. Notice anything 'unusual' about the coin?
1,185 posted on 03/22/2004 9:39:49 AM PST by Gianni (Sarcasm, the other white meat.)
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To: Gianni
P.S. Notice anything 'unusual' about the coin?

It doesn't match what is on the mountain.

1,186 posted on 03/22/2004 9:51:30 AM PST by rustbucket
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To: Silas Hardacre; 4ConservativeJustices; Admin Moderator
After perusing Spooner a bit I can now clearly see why Senator Brown of Mississippi called Spooner a harebrained simpleton.

Curious claim, plant boy, seeing as this alleged statement of Brown does not appear in the vicinity of the said discussion from the Congressional Globe. Either it is somewhere else (unlikely) or you made it up entirely, as seems to be your pattern around here. You know, making up pseudonyms, making up facts...

After all, Spooner advocated not only that the US constitution was legally invalid, but that the same legally invalid document gave the Federal Government the right to march into a slave state and seize billions of dollars of private property from it's owners.

Wrong and wrong. Spooner's argument against the legal validity of the constitution came AFTER the civil war and essentially stated that the events of the civil war had voided a previously working contract of government.

Small wonder your boy Spooner is so overwhelmingly attractive to Marxists

Huh? Spooner is generally considered to be one of the most libertarian philosophers to have ever lived. He is regularly ranked to the RIGHT of Hayek and even Rothbard. One cannot physically get any further away from marxism than that. In the meantime, I'll also note that Karl Marx himself was one of Europe's most vocal champions of the Abe Lincoln cause from 1861-65. Of course you probably know that already, considering your familiarity with marxism that led you to post marxist link and doctrines under your earlier pseudonyms Titus Fikus and LLAN-DDEUSSANT. You know - the same websites and passages that got you banned from FR previously.

1,187 posted on 03/22/2004 11:11:09 AM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
SOURCE: Butler's Book, Benjamin F. Butler, 1892, p. 755
"I suppose you will want your Massachusetts troops sent."

"Oh," said I, "not Massachusetts men to shoot down New Yorkers; that won't do."


1,188 posted on 03/22/2004 11:37:14 AM PST by nolu chan
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To: Gianni
Would his asking one do any good? How would the intelligent person translate the explanation into something that could be understood by a creature with the intellect of a lobster?
1,189 posted on 03/22/2004 11:42:09 AM PST by nolu chan
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To: rustbucket
Missing entirely is Davis, likely due to his involvement in the political body of the CSA and not the military. Whether or not this was the result of the likes of Stewart and her father, who protested the minting of the coin so vehemently, I do not know.
1,190 posted on 03/22/2004 11:45:14 AM PST by Gianni (Sarcasm, the other white meat.)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
#3Const, Art 4, Sec 1

Thou shalt not secede. Secessionists will burn in hell.

</Sarcasm>

1,191 posted on 03/22/2004 11:58:11 AM PST by nolu chan
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To: #3Fan
The word "authoritatively" and this dude do not mix.

What's your idea of "authoritativeness", dude? What winds your watch for you?

1,192 posted on 03/22/2004 12:16:34 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: stand watie
Interesting report I came across:

LINK

THE QUESTION:
"Either the extermination of the Indian tribes by force or...."
HEADQUARTERS MILITARY DIVISION OF THE MISSOURI

Saint Louis,.Mo., May 23, 1865.

Lieut. Gen. U. S. GRANT,
General-in- Chief:

Excerpt:

This question is now directly and barely presented. Either the extermination of the Indian tribes by force or some policy of supporting them by the General Government at places, where, deprived of arms and of the power to do injury or indulge their wandering habits, they can be subsisted and protected and subjected, under the most favorable circumstances, to all the influences of education and Christianity.

JNO. POPE,
Major-General, Commanding.


1,193 posted on 03/22/2004 12:22:21 PM PST by nolu chan
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To: #3Fan
Slaveowners had the money and power to push secession for slavery.

Which explains why all the big slaveowners voted for John Bell and the Constitutional Union Party in 1860.

But then you knew that, right? You knew about the Southern Unionists and how they carried Texas and Virginia by wide margins, right -- and why? You wouldn't post in ignorance or anything, would you? As in, open mouth, insert foot?

And you sneer at other people.

1,194 posted on 03/22/2004 12:34:40 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: nolu chan; GOPcapitalist
Pinging GOPcap, for some interesting quotes (by Beast Butler) of the Assistant Treasury Secretary John Stewart, concerning politically motivated gold trades by the Treasury leading up to the 1864 election.

See the last few grafs of nolu chan's pinged post.

Some things never change -- this guy could have been taking policy tips from Alan Greenspan.

1,195 posted on 03/22/2004 1:33:14 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Wups, wrong states -- not Texas.

Thanks to rustbucket for the correction. And me with a copy of Fehrenbach on my shelf.

1,196 posted on 03/22/2004 1:52:21 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: Gianni
Hmmmm, I want one, too. Think I can get one through the local coin dealer.

Looks like coins in F-VF condition are pretty reasonable about $10-20.

And I see it's a half-dollar, which was a pretty good pallette on which to work. I really admire the coin designs of the early part of this century.

1,197 posted on 03/22/2004 2:01:27 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: lentulusgracchus
ROTF!

Butler: "I then issued my General Order No 1, in which I made it plain that there were several thousand secessionists in New York. They were there in such numbers as to impede the Union men getting lodgings and boarding-house accommodations, the landlords saying that they could let all the room they had to Southerners at their own prices. I took care that the Southerners should understand that means would be taken for their identification, and that whoever of them should vote would be dealt with in such a manner as to make them uncomfortable. That was sufficient, and substantially no Southerners [secessionists] voted at the polls on election day."

Well gee, that was fair. </sarcasm>

1,198 posted on 03/22/2004 2:08:56 PM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Well, he didn't really mean Southerners, now did he?

He was talking code, and meaning McClellan supporters.

Real Southerners would have to bathe for a week, to wash participation in a New York election off of them.

1,199 posted on 03/22/2004 2:14:41 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: nolu chan
were you SURPRISED by this????

free dixie,sw

1,200 posted on 03/22/2004 2:16:11 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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