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John Warner knifed Ollie North in the back first, so I refuse to "shut up and vote" - or is that refusal only allowed when the issue in question is immigration? Ollie North's vote would have passed a partial-birth abortion ban over Clinton's veto in the late 90s.

No, as I've told you numerous times in the past, to your incessant misunderstanding, I don't have a problem with your decision not to vote for Warner, though if I was in Virginia I would not have voted as you did. I fully accept the the notion that one can not expect all Republicans to vote for all nominees in all instances, though I have managed it to date.

I sure as heck was not helping to re-elect Barbara Boxer in the process when I withheld my vote both times. Which means one more anti-defense, anti-marriage amendment, pro-abortion, pro-tax increase, anti-gun, anti-Bush judges Senator stays in. And there is no real change on immigration policy, either, if anything, Boxer's stance is far worse than the President's

Yada yada... it's different when you do it.

When you withheld your vote for Warner, by your own logic, you were voting for a Democrat. It just bugs the crap out of you that you have to admit it, and that I've noticed.

Then again, to you, I'm just some party hack or shill. Or a sellout.

You're a sell-out on Amnesty, which you favor.

But don't try to pin the "divisive" laben on me.

Amnesty is highly divisive in the GOP, and so are it's proponents.

You are among them.

Any time someone walks off because their person did not win the nomination after having a dog in the fight, THEY are the ones responsible for causing division, NOT the candidate who they stabbed in the back.

Then by that logic, that's what you did to John Warner.

I disagree with your logic, by the way. I don't believe that Warner had any birthright to your vote, and don't have any problem with your decision not to vote for him.

Warner's actions against Ollie North divided him from your vote.

If Marin wins the nomination (I think it will be Bill Jones - who did okay in 1998; nobody else on the GOP ticket won statewide election), and loses becuase some third-party spoiler splits the vote, don't be surprised if you find yourself distrusted.

So, are you surprised if you are distrusted, on the basis of your non-vote for Warner?

Or, are you off the hook because Warner won?

For the record, I also think it will be Jones, and I'll be voting Kaloogian in the primary unless Marin surges late.

If it's Marin, and she loses without my vote, I think it should be evidence of why I should be trusted... because it would prove, once again, that GOP sellouts to Illegals are not the future of this party.

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Stop being sanctimonious, Toothy.

I don't expect you to understand - you weren't the guy who had their candidate stabbed in the back by a sore loser whose candidate did not win a nomination. By your logic, it was Ollie North who divided the party. I disagree: Ollie North and his supporters did not divide the Virginia Republican Party. John Warner did by being a sore loser, and by recruiting and supporting a third party candidate AFTER the issues he raised against Ollie had been discussed by the Republicans.

Should Marin win the nomination in the primary, who is the divider? Is it the person who might disagree on an issue (be it immigration or any other issue), or would the divders be those who will REFUSE to support her as the nomineee even AFTER the issue had been raised in the nomination battle (in this case, a primary campaign) and then actively take steps that would throw the election to the only likely opponent?

Finally in response to your last statement:
"If it's Marin, and she loses without my vote, I think it should be evidence of why I should be trusted... because it would prove, once again, that GOP sellouts to Illegals are not the future of this party."

Did Ollie North go groveling to John Warner, begging for forgiveness after the knife was placed in his back? No, he didn't. You flatter yourself if you think that, and you must live in an alternate dimension if you think any politican but a fool would trust you enough to stick his neck out for you.