Bush reaches out to conservatives to quell revolt

Forbes ^ | Feb. 20, 2004 | Adam Entous

[NittanyLion]

It irritates me beyond belief to see many who seemed to be competing in the Bash Bush the hardest crowd now attempting to say that they were always right.

Believe it or not, often these folks actually are right. The fact that the administration is actively seeking to satisfy conservatives is not an accident; rather it's a result of the dissatisfaction they've been voicing. And rightly so: Bush will stand a better chance of reelection as a result, and conservatives get what we voted for. A win-win for all parties involved.

[Sabertooth]

In actuality, you and the rest of the pack are nothing more than opportunists trying to claim you're in the forefront of conservative thought. You claim it but you use DNC talking points.

Which DNC talking points?

[jammer]

In actuality, you and the rest of the pack are nothing more than opportunists trying to claim you're in the forefront of conservative thought.

In "actuality", we are not only at the forefront--we're probably the only conservatives on here. If you are not enraged by this President's domestic actions, then you are either have no principles, are dishonest about those principles, or your principles are not conservative. The situation in Washington has deteriorated beyond the point of the low intelligence level of some of Bush's defenders being a defense.

You claim it but you use DNC talking points. In a way, you and the clowder are much like Alcibiades in both outlook and action.

That's an ad hominem argument. Debate the points that are made.

Besides, your argument is wrong. I hear no DNC people complaining that Bush has proposed preposterous spending increases, that we should have no Medicare drug bill, that Bush should veto the AWB, that we should have no CFR, etc. In fact, Bush's defenders on these issues sound more like DNC than we do. No, you can call names, but they don't register except to the willfully blind.

[gatorbait]

Jammer, your screenname is good advice,jam it. You and the rest of the unappeasables have howled your Cassandry choruses for months. I've heard about all the insults to the President and to me and those others who have defended the president,. Know what? AWB is actually popular with most of the American People. Know why? Because militia loving idiots have not made the case that the ban is a waste of time;instead,they've exacerbated the problem. No, instead, you carp and bitch and do absolutely nothing. Feel like you've been called a name ? Too bad,I've been on the receiving end of several including some from your box mate.

You no more represent mainstream conservatism than Ralph Nader does.Fact is ,you and your ilk are closer intellectually with the Deaniacs and Naderites than you are with conservatism.

Frankly,I see no point in further dialogue with you as ,in reality, you've shown me you cannot think past groupthink, something another semi-malcontent loves to accuse the President's defenders of doing. We have nothing further to discuss.

Cordially,

[gatorbait]

Cassandry=Cassandra Geez,even with spell checker...

[EllaMinnow]

I like it - it's like a cross between Cassandra and quandrary. Lord knows, we've got enough of both around here.

[BigSkyFreeper]

Why should he veto the AWB? You don't need to defend yourself and your family or go sport hunting with even a fully-auto weapon anyway. If you get between a bear and it's cub, that's your quandry.

[b9]

Not one of us who have been savaged by the true believers ever stopped backing the President.It was not a lack of principles, nor was it blind slavish devotion.We just saw beyond carping and attacking the one individual standing between us and and a full on assualt on the nation, from without and within,as counterproductive at best and betrayal at worst.

beautiful

[onyx]

DITTO

[NittanyLion]

You no more represent mainstream conservatism than Ralph Nader does.Fact is ,you and your ilk are closer intellectually with the Deaniacs and Naderites than you are with conservatism. Frankly,I see no point in further dialogue with you as ,in reality, you've shown me you cannot think past groupthink, something another semi-malcontent loves to accuse the President's defenders of doing. We have nothing further to discuss.

There you go again, driving a wedge between conservatives and the administration, just when President Bush is attempting to mend fences with conservatives.

It seems folks like yourself will defend the administration only up to the point it agrees with those you'd label your "enemies" (i.e. conservatives). That's very sad.

[gatorbait]

There you go again, whining and crying as usual. You're almost amusing.You accusing me or anyone else of driving wedges? God, that's almost like John Forbes Kerry suggesting George Bush is a gigolo. Nice try, Nittany Kitty, you and your playmate JammedUp go enjoy yourselves in your litter box. The rest of us will stick to consistently backing the President,his re-election,and the defense and safety of these United States.

Johnny-come-latelys rather bore the the rest of us. Take that for whatever you so wish.

Cordially,

[NittanyLion]

The rest of us will stick to consistently backing the President,his re-election,and the defense and safety of these United States.

Excluding, of course, backing for initiatives aimed at solidifying the conservative vote. When that's the case, you actively work counter to the White House's goals. Isn't that right, bait? You're doing it right here after all.

I guess for some folks internet debate is more important than principles. How sad.

[arasina]

Very well said, gatorbait!

[k2blader]

NittanyLion,

You have class.

Just wanted to say that.

[gatorbait]

I guess for some folks internet debate is more important than principles. How sad.

Yes, you being the saddest of them all.Are you really Ed Asner?

Cordially,

[gatorbait]

Some folks should worry less about how conservatives vote and more about how to advance conservatism)

That's a mutual consideration.You do understand that, don't you? You do understand attacking the one candidate who will at least open the door to those "principles" you claim to support is tantamount to suicide, right? By the way, your taste in class acts is a tad skewed.

Cordially,

[jammer]

Great reply. Don't address the argument at all, except to make the sophomoric "popularity" argument. But, since you brought it up, I'll have to address it.

As for the AWB being popular, who cares? If it's that popular, then pass a Constitutional Amendment that does away with the relevant portion of the 2nd Amendment. That's why we HAVE a Bill of Rights--to delineate rights that aren't at the whim of popularity.

And to address the second of gatorbait's lame "arguments", YOU are the folks defending AWB. That makes YOU sound like Naderites and Deaniacs. You can't even define what you are for/against or what they are for/against.

I have pinged a lot of Freeper and non-Freeper friends, and they are also getting a lot of laughs watching you folks squirm. Thanks for the entertainment. Reading your posts is like watching the Three Stooges. But you do have imagination. I'll give you that.

[k2blader]

The point is:

The President and the GOP would not have to worry about how conservatives vote if they are indeed advancing conservatism.

Re. "class acts":

Based upon your posts, I'm not sure your opinion is worth much in the matter.

Have a good day.

[Tamzee]

You accusing me or anyone else of driving wedges? God, that's almost like John Forbes Kerry suggesting George Bush is a gigolo.

Brilliant analogy LOL

This looks exhausting, BTW, and I admire your stamina and patience. You've stated the case beautifully, IMHO, and anyone reading the thread can see how the values of each poster stack up.

[onyx]

He's carrying the load and dumping it right on them.

BRAVO!