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Dissension In The Ranks
American News Reel ^ | 1/31/04 | Doug Thompson

Posted on 01/31/2004 12:41:27 PM PST by jimkress

Had dinner with an old friend last night, a long-time Republican political operative who – in 1981 – talked me into taking a sabbatical from journalism and going to Washington as a press secretary to Congressman Paul Findley.

He’s been a Republican all his life. Grew up in a GOP family. Served more than one term as a county chairman as well as a Republican National Committeeman.

So it surprised me when he opened the dinner table conversation with: “I’m not going to vote for George W. Bush in November. I may vote for John Kerry if he’s the Democratic nominee.”

Strange things can happen in this world. Joe Gibbs can come out of retirement to coach the Washington Redskins one more time. Hell, the Carolina Panthers might even win the Super Bowl. But when a lifelong Republican tells me he might vote for John Kerry, I wait for a voice to start saying “you’re entering another dimension…next stop – The Twilight Zone.”

“I’m a Republican because I believe in less government, of letting states make the decisions that affect our lives,” he said. “I believe in a balanced budget. But my party no longer believes in any of these things. I can’t be a part of what I think is destroying this country.”

His comments echo what I have been hearing after three weeks on the campaign trail. Republicans are fed up with an administration that has created the largest federal bureaucracy ever, with record deficits and with increasing federal power and control over our lives.

But they’re not just fed up with George W. Bush, they’re fed up with a Republican-controlled Congress that passed the largest, most pork-laden transportation bill in history, that abandoned its promise to impose term limits and that broke most of the promises of the 1994 “Contract With America” that gave them control of Capitol Hill in the first place.

My friend’s theory: “You know the old bromide that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely? Well, my party has taken it step further. Absolute power leads to madness. It makes me, a Republican, long for Democrats back in control. That is pure madness but I can’t help it.”

I’ve been around politics as a journalist or an operative for nearly 40 years and the dissension within the GOP is the worst I’ve ever seen. At a Republican caucus earlier this week, California Republican Congressman Chris Cox headed a group of conservative members who told Speaker of the House Denny Hastert that a GOP Congress was being undermined by Bush's actions in the White House. One member reportedly said a GOP Congress could deal more effectively with a Democrat in the White House than they can with Bush.

“At least we know what to expect from a Democratic President,” he said.


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To: F16Fighter
Of course for those of some out there who live in gated communities, stroll the middle-America suburban malls, and ante up at the country club every Saturday, you live faaaar away Jack

Here's a quarter call someone who cares about your class envy, the DNC.

341 posted on 01/31/2004 4:21:51 PM PST by Dane
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To: Happy2BMe
I heard a high-level Israeli diplomat say a few weeks ago that the removal of the Hussein regime in Iraq has done more for peace in the Middle East than any event in 1,000 years.

Right.

342 posted on 01/31/2004 4:22:23 PM PST by Beenliedto (A Free Stater getting ready to pack my bags!)
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To: F16Fighter
Do you even realize that Bush's proposal has already been shot down? and yet you single issue malcontents just can't seem to get it.

Have you seen what the democrats have proposed for addressing the immigration problem? It makes what GWB proposed look like a round up similar to a German one way ticket to Krakow. Now that dozens of House Republicans have said they will not support GWB's Temp Worker Program, the whole thing is probably dead unless Congress adopts Tancredo's plan. Either way, the Democrats have been pushed further to the left.

Do you think it was by accident that the House Republicans announced their refusal to back the Presidents Immigration plan at the same time the democrats released the details of their plan?.......... I don't. Bush proposes an immigration plan that basically has no demands in it, in fact, all he did was ask Congress to debate it and come up with a plan. Then the democrats, who are desperately seeking a way to trash him, devise a plan of their own showing how heartless Bush is to illegal aliens, just today the liberals want to pass a law to make it a crime to label illegals, as illegals. considering that 70% of the country does not agree with amnesty in it's purist form, Bush has kicked the crap out of the democrats once again even before his plan was proposed in the form of a Bill.

343 posted on 01/31/2004 4:22:24 PM PST by MJY1288 (WITHOUT DOUBLE STANDARDS, LIBERALS WOULDN'T HAVE ANY !)
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To: Beenliedto
Read what you've written and then, try, at least, to understand it and what it all means.

Small...me ? No,but I refuse a small band of fringers to try to take over FR, every election cycle,berating the rest of us and then go into hibernation the rest of the time. You and your ilk are the " small " ones, who act as though you are the ONLY ones who are Conservatives, know what should be done,and who should be the president.

You are shallow, ill educated, and don't understand that the minority, through activist judges, are now ruling the majority. That isn't what the FFs had in mind.

Jim encourages debate, what he doesn't " encourage " is posting people like Claire W., frauds such as the author of this thread's article,and voting for fringers. FreeRepublic is about ELECTING REPUBLICANS and GETTING RID OF AS MANY DEMS, AS IS HUMANLY POSSIBLE !

344 posted on 01/31/2004 4:22:46 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Happy2BMe
This time two weeks ago, division was practically nonexistent. Throw in an amnesty program (because that is exactly what it is) into the works and all hell breaks loose.

And it's only been two short weeks since Bush did this and he has shattered (yes, I'm talking about George Bush here) Party Unity into splinters and cost himself crucial support right down to the wire.

I wouldn't call 10 months "right down to the wire".

The fact is Bush's "guest worker" proposal will get nowhere in Congress and so will pretty much be a non-issue come November.

The only people who will still be talking about it are those who want Bush out no matter what and are determined to upset the base.

In any case, recent polls show a relatively minor drop in support for Bush among Republicans.
It's the major drop in support from Independents that have affected the numbers we are now seeing.
And of course that is to be expected with nothing but wall to wall coverage of the Dem primaries and Bush bashing 24/7 for several weeks now.

345 posted on 01/31/2004 4:22:56 PM PST by Jorge
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To: F16Fighter
~ Take the FReeper Immigration Reform Poll ~

Question ...

After hearing President Bush's speech, do you approve of his immigration reform plan?

Yes
703 votes - 21%

No
2,269 votes - 67%

Undecided
368 votes - 11%

346 posted on 01/31/2004 4:23:01 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: blackie; nopardons; All
Sounds like Doug want to be the Gilligan of America.



Gilligan quits BBC over Kelly row
BBC ^ | January 30, 2004


Posted on 01/30/2004 11:44:47 AM PST by HAL9000



BBC reporter Andrew Gilligan has resigned in the wake of the criticism directed at him in the Hutton report.
Mr Gilligan conceded some of his story was wrong, and apologised for it.

He said his departure was at his own initiative, but described the BBC collectively as the victim of a "grave injustice".

Earlier departing BBC director general Greg Dyke said he was shocked by the findings of the Hutton Inquiry and did not accept all of the report.

He said Lord Hutton had "given the benefit of doubt to every government witness and not to any at the BBC".

Mark Byford, the acting director general, said the corporation recognised that it had made errors.

He said his duty was to bring "calmness, clarity, leadership" to the organisation.

"It has been a very, very difficult week - that's an under-statement," Mr Byford told BBC Radio 4's PM programme.

"I would say the BBC at the top ... has shown it recognises that it's been an extremely turbulent week.

"It recognises that it has lost - quite extraordinary for any organisation - both its chairman and chief executive, but ... it must move forward ... there have been mistakes, it's a learning organisation ... and will be stronger from it."

Mr Byford is leading an internal inquiry into what went wrong and the steps needed to ensure it does not happen again.

'Grave concern'

He said the BBC had "a duty of care" to all its employees, including the Today defence correspondent Mr Gilligan, whose report was at the centre of the David Kelly controversy.

He added: "There will be a due process to consider the implications of the staff involved. I will lead that process."

Earlier, Mr Dyke told BBC Radio 4's Today programme it was perfectly fair for people to "draw the conclusion that I don't accept all of the report".

"Our legal team were all very surprised by the nature of the report."

Mr Dyke suggested the implications for journalism coming from the report were a matter of grave concern for the media.


"Lord Hutton does seem to suggest that it is not enough for a broadcaster or a newspaper... to simply report what a whistleblower says because they are an authoritative source. You have to demonstrate that it is true. That would change the law in this country."

He said he had had to offer his resignation after the report but had not wanted to go.

Under pressure

Speaking outside his home in Twickenham, south west London, he said: "The governors were in an incredibly difficult position. Hutton was very critical of the BBC - so critical that the chairman had decided to resign and I too felt I had to resign.

"They decided I did not have their full support."

Ex-culture secretary Chris Smith said there had been no need for heads to roll at the BBC and called for next Wednesday's Commons debate on the Hutton report to examine the issues surrounding the Iraq war.

Tony Blair is under pressure to make a statement on the intelligence he presented to Parliament on Iraq's weapons after the US national security chief admitted for the first time there may have been flaws in the gathering of material about the Iraqi arsenal.

Downing Street says it will wait and see whether the Iraq Survey Group turns up evidence of weapons of mass destruction.

'Matter should rest'

The prime minister's official spokesman said Lord Hutton's report had been fair. "A dispassionate judge has looked at the facts and has made his judgment on the facts. That's where the matter should rest.

"We accept there was a lot of emotion and a lot of anger yesterday but the judge has reached his conclusions on his assessment of the facts and what people should recognise is that this is the judge's verdict."

THE HUTTON REPORT


BBC director of news Richard Sambrook has sent an email to all staff saying he will be working with Mr Byford, senior editors and news managers to look at ways to rebuild trust in the corporation.

Meanwhile ministers have stressed the importance of a BBC independent of government influence in the wake of Lord Hutton's criticisms of the corporation.

Culture Secretary Tessa Jowell said: "A BBC that is nobody's lapdog, that challenges government and raises debate - that is in all our interests."

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347 posted on 01/31/2004 4:23:38 PM PST by Grampa Dave (GW is driving every rat in America into a deeper insanity, 24/7/365!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Doug hasn't posted on FR since his Mea Cuppa back in July of 2003.......

Thompson's Last Post

348 posted on 01/31/2004 4:24:14 PM PST by deport (BUSH - CHENEY 2004.........)
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To: MEG33
You are so very, very much appreciated, Meg.

I know I can always count on a little much-needed sanity and intelligence hereabouts, whenever I see one of your postings. :) Keep it up!

349 posted on 01/31/2004 4:24:36 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: Grampa Dave
Way to go, Grampa Dave ! :-)
350 posted on 01/31/2004 4:25:33 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
FreeRepublic is about ELECTING REPUBLICANS

FreeRepublic is about free and open discussion.

351 posted on 01/31/2004 4:25:59 PM PST by Beenliedto (A Free Stater getting ready to pack my bags!)
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To: F16Fighter
I have never lived in a gated community.I don't belong to a country club .I shop for necessities.

I don't live on the border,I live in Texas and have lived in Calfornia.The dems are not going to solve the illegal problem.I know it,you know it.
352 posted on 01/31/2004 4:26:08 PM PST by MEG33 (God bless our armed forces)
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To: MEG33
"ALLOW A DEMOCRAT TO WIN>>>THAT"LL SHOW EM!" ..this is not about "showing" anyone anything ..it's about being true to yourself.
353 posted on 01/31/2004 4:26:16 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: jpsb
"I don't like it one damn bit."

I think we understand . .

354 posted on 01/31/2004 4:26:32 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: jimkress
Given the objectives of both parties are the same, how can anyone justify supporting either party?..........//........... Vote for FREEDOM, not Republican/Democrat hegemony. Support the Constitution Party.

Ditto

355 posted on 01/31/2004 4:27:23 PM PST by varon
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To: deport
Great link.

Thanks for the update. We miss old Dougie like a bad case of shingles.

The name of that unnamed repubie that Doug just lied, er, made up was Deepthroat Gilligan Wilkerson.
356 posted on 01/31/2004 4:28:00 PM PST by Grampa Dave (GW is driving every rat in America into a deeper insanity, 24/7/365!)
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To: Zipporah
..this is not about "showing" anyone anything ..it's about being true to yourself

Bump!

357 posted on 01/31/2004 4:28:02 PM PST by Beenliedto (A Free Stater getting ready to pack my bags!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Oh gee..............ain't it grand, when nutters get exposed ? Thanks again, Grampa Dave. :-)
358 posted on 01/31/2004 4:29:35 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Beenliedto; Zipporah
It's time to write a poem.
359 posted on 01/31/2004 4:29:47 PM PST by MEG33 (God bless our armed forces)
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To: Grampa Dave
LOL, I knew pinging you to this thread would liven it up a bit ;-)
360 posted on 01/31/2004 4:30:02 PM PST by MJY1288 (WITHOUT DOUBLE STANDARDS, LIBERALS WOULDN'T HAVE ANY !)
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