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Dissension In The Ranks
American News Reel ^ | 1/31/04 | Doug Thompson

Posted on 01/31/2004 12:41:27 PM PST by jimkress

Had dinner with an old friend last night, a long-time Republican political operative who – in 1981 – talked me into taking a sabbatical from journalism and going to Washington as a press secretary to Congressman Paul Findley.

He’s been a Republican all his life. Grew up in a GOP family. Served more than one term as a county chairman as well as a Republican National Committeeman.

So it surprised me when he opened the dinner table conversation with: “I’m not going to vote for George W. Bush in November. I may vote for John Kerry if he’s the Democratic nominee.”

Strange things can happen in this world. Joe Gibbs can come out of retirement to coach the Washington Redskins one more time. Hell, the Carolina Panthers might even win the Super Bowl. But when a lifelong Republican tells me he might vote for John Kerry, I wait for a voice to start saying “you’re entering another dimension…next stop – The Twilight Zone.”

“I’m a Republican because I believe in less government, of letting states make the decisions that affect our lives,” he said. “I believe in a balanced budget. But my party no longer believes in any of these things. I can’t be a part of what I think is destroying this country.”

His comments echo what I have been hearing after three weeks on the campaign trail. Republicans are fed up with an administration that has created the largest federal bureaucracy ever, with record deficits and with increasing federal power and control over our lives.

But they’re not just fed up with George W. Bush, they’re fed up with a Republican-controlled Congress that passed the largest, most pork-laden transportation bill in history, that abandoned its promise to impose term limits and that broke most of the promises of the 1994 “Contract With America” that gave them control of Capitol Hill in the first place.

My friend’s theory: “You know the old bromide that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely? Well, my party has taken it step further. Absolute power leads to madness. It makes me, a Republican, long for Democrats back in control. That is pure madness but I can’t help it.”

I’ve been around politics as a journalist or an operative for nearly 40 years and the dissension within the GOP is the worst I’ve ever seen. At a Republican caucus earlier this week, California Republican Congressman Chris Cox headed a group of conservative members who told Speaker of the House Denny Hastert that a GOP Congress was being undermined by Bush's actions in the White House. One member reportedly said a GOP Congress could deal more effectively with a Democrat in the White House than they can with Bush.

“At least we know what to expect from a Democratic President,” he said.


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To: Liberty Valance
Pray tell?
201 posted on 01/31/2004 2:36:02 PM PST by tet68
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To: Liberty Valance
Welp, I ain't gonna comment on my opinion on Bush or not, cause people here seem to get retarded about it. I will say that Bush isn't just hurting conservatives, he's fiscally endangering the country. Yes he is strong on defense, but whatever, we still gotta eat.

And after that I'm gonna keep my mouth shut on Bush.
202 posted on 01/31/2004 2:36:14 PM PST by Schattie
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To: MEG33; dixiechick2000; wardaddy; sweet virginia
Yes, Meg, he's the best. You spotted it right off. He has that effect on all who meet him here on FR. Praise the Lord, wardaddy's going to be just fine.
203 posted on 01/31/2004 2:36:50 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: deport
Only 100,000 votes nationwide?I think at least a dozen may be right here.
204 posted on 01/31/2004 2:37:01 PM PST by MEG33 (God bless our armed forces)
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To: F16Fighter
The election result is ultimately on HIM my friend...

If it's Bush vs. Kerry, it'll probably be close... and maybe he'll tell us what he thinks we want to hear.

So we'll cave, and vote for him, and he'll be elected, and he'll be a lame duck...

...free to ignore us during his second term, just as he has during his first.

We better start figuring this all out, before it's gone so far that Claire Wolf rethinks her time line.

205 posted on 01/31/2004 2:37:05 PM PST by Beenliedto (A Free Stater getting ready to pack my bags!)
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To: jimkress
Fifth column bump
206 posted on 01/31/2004 2:37:42 PM PST by nopardons
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To: onyx
If you're serious you already know the answer.

I am serious. And I do know the answer.

I think you're over-estimating the "clout" of the stay-at-home-3rd-party voters this time around.

Perot was charismatic and patriotic. He captured the hearts and minds of unwitting folks. There's not a Perot-type in sight, and unlike his father, this President George Bush knows how to campaign and he's extremely likeable too.

No dispute there, but in the absence of an acceptable candidate to those who feel disenfranchised by the incumbent and not swayed by the arguments of the challenger, the voters WILL stay home.

Barbara Boxer is by most accounts the most liberal member of the Senate. We ended up nominating old Matt Fong against her in '98, and while the guy is patriot he sure as hell wasn't charismatic, nor did he keep his base secure. Same with Feinstein in '00, or even Ford in '78.

207 posted on 01/31/2004 2:39:27 PM PST by StoneColdGOP (McClintock - In Your Heart, You Know He's Right)
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To: MEG33; xsmommy
LMAO! At least a dozen right here.
208 posted on 01/31/2004 2:39:33 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: tet68
Latest Drudge Headline:
Bush to back off some initiatives for budget plan
209 posted on 01/31/2004 2:39:59 PM PST by Liberty Valance (In Honor and memory of Pfc Cody Orr, Kerrville Texas)
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To: ThanhPhero; commish
Even as we post, Bush is backing off the tax cuts.

Even as we post, and before you started posting here, Kerry is and was determined to revoke the tax cuts. If November is a choice, which will you choose?

It is no simpler than this. Bush vs Kerry. It will be one or the other. No third party candidate will win. So which candidate should FReepers vote for?

210 posted on 01/31/2004 2:40:49 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: dts32041
Apperntly you are unaware that Kerry wants full amnesty and citizenship. Gridlock won't work...we have too narrow a majority, and as we have often seen, people like Lincoln Chafee will side with the Rats.

You are not thinking this through, but are reacting emotionally.

211 posted on 01/31/2004 2:42:15 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Liberty Valance; Miss Marple
I have indeed noticed the heavy posting trends of the new puritan 3rd party posters. It used to bother me until i figured out that it is just a few people with lots and lots of posts.

It's always fascinated me how such a huge percentage of the most hardcore third party kooks are either relative newbies or else date back from the earliest days of FR (1997-98 signup dates). And also how many of those old accounts go relatively inactive until an election season comes along.

212 posted on 01/31/2004 2:42:30 PM PST by Timesink (Smacky is power.)
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To: Neets
The raving nutter class is out in full force and it's only January.

Any so-called "Republican"/"Conservative", who says that they're going to vote for Kerry, or any other Dem, is lying, mentally ill, or far too stupid to be allowed to vote.

The Constitution Party will get fewer votes than the American Socialist Party and far fewer than the GREEN.

Just saw today, in the N.Y. Post, that the LP is considering running the man who put Bette Midler in the movie, THE ROSE , as it's presidential candidate. Such a winner......I'm soooooooooooooooooooo impressed. LOL

213 posted on 01/31/2004 2:43:30 PM PST by nopardons
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To: StoneColdGOP
As sorry as Fong was, and he was one sorry wimp, he was leading Boxer and would have won had he fought back. I'm completely sick of CA electing two democrat trans-planted NY liberal women to the US Senate.

I'm supporting Howard Kaloogian in the primary, but I'll support and work for the election of whomever wins the primary.

To the people who say, Kaloogian chances are limited by his surname, my response is "compared with Schwarzenegger, Kaloogian is Smith."

214 posted on 01/31/2004 2:44:14 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: jimkress
Republicans are fed up with an administration that has created the largest federal bureaucracy ever, with record deficits and with increasing federal power and control over our lives.

There hasn't been a Republican Administration in at least 75 years that hasn't increased the budget, the bureaucracy, or the deficit.

With the exception of Clinton's lucky boom economy, the same is true of the Democrats.

If a third party took control, no matter what they promised, they would do the same in the end.

Politics Corrupts
and
Universal Suffrage Politics Corrupts Absolutely.

Bread and Circuses.

So9

215 posted on 01/31/2004 2:45:05 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: cake_crumb
Quote of the Year!

Cripes, I'm getting tired of this guy's spam.
216 posted on 01/31/2004 2:46:14 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: jimkress

Doug Thompson?

As in, the guy who edited Capitol Hill Blue?

No sale. No thanks.

The Constitution Party. Right.....

A gaggle of idiot ass-clowns who think that they actually matter. They don't. Get a freaking clue.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

217 posted on 01/31/2004 2:47:07 PM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "I have John Kerry's medals! No, really, their in my purse!")
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To: onyx
hehehe. With "friends" like that and their warped, siteful logic its no wonder we lost the White House in '92. However, it never ceases to surprise me why they're so eager to flaunt their shortcomings in public without a trace of embarrassment.
218 posted on 01/31/2004 2:48:34 PM PST by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: Timesink
third party kooks advocates

Thank you.

219 posted on 01/31/2004 2:48:45 PM PST by Beenliedto (A Free Stater getting ready to pack my bags!)
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To: Beenliedto
"If it's Bush vs. Kerry, it'll probably be close... and maybe he'll tell us what he thinks we want to hear.

So we'll cave, and vote for him, and he'll be elected, and he'll be a lame duck...

...free to ignore us during his second term, just as he has during his first."

LOL...

In the wake of the November 6, 2004 latest Zogby poll numbers freshly posted on FOX reflecting Kerry 52% and Dubya 48%, maybe Dubya sweeps the "Amnesty for Illegals" Waterloo he's proposed off the table (for the time being).

Of course feeling our "pain," may last all of 24 hours until the election results are in...

Quite frankly, as a "conservative," the man shall now officially be regarded as UN-RELIABLE.

220 posted on 01/31/2004 2:49:25 PM PST by F16Fighter
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