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It makes me sick too. Statistically I think black people voted for him at a ratio of about 95 percent overall.

I fear that the rest of the country will eventually succumb to the elixer of voting themselves welfare at someone else’s expense. Soon after we will all be compliant serfs, with no concept of, or appreciation for liberty.

BTTT!

...he (Colin Powell)sold out based on race.

99% of Black America sold out based on race. I can't stand to listen to the likes of "Rev." T. D. Jakes any longer; he is such a suck-up Democrat and Barack Obama lover, as are all Black church folk.

They go to church on Sunday and shout, sing, clap, dance and then go into the voting booth on Tuesday and vote for baby-killers and Fag Marriage Proponents because there is a (D) beside their freakin' name.

Well and truly stated.

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Regards. I wanted to alert you folks to a disconcerting apathy afflicting those of us at home. I follow closely the efforts of the IAVA to raise awareness and support for our soldiers coming home from war, yet was more than saddened to learn that in soliciting 111,000 FREE pledges of support for our troops, they fell well short of their goal. I was hoping any interested could take the fifteen seconds and pledge to the IAVA, at no cost. Please don’t let me completely lose faith in my fellow armchair patriots. Thanks.

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Inspiring Words. Happy Thanksgiving.

God Bless America

So, then, I’m confused...you are, on the one hand, saying that the patient and family should have the talk and make the decision. On the other hand, your tired of putting in feeding tubes into dying patients who want you to. But if someone is asking you to continue treating them...isn’t that someone who has weighed the options and is choosing to continue to fight?

What it seems you really want is the right to, as the doctor, make that decision for the family and patient. The hell with the patient that wants everything done. If you, as the almighty doctor decide that its futile, then thats the opinion that counts.

So it really comes down to your definition of futile, doesn’t it, and who gets to make that call? I dont know you, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you have good standards and would be somewhat careful with those standards...how long until someone else moves the yardstick? I’m sorry, but if I am sick, or a member of my family is, I dont trust the doctor to make that decision more than myself of my family.

You are concerned about the familial guilt and greed over granny’s social security check. Okay, what about the opposite, wanting to off granny before she uses up all your inheritance money. Is that any less grotesque? Yeah, I know grandma said she wanted everything done, but this care is costing so much, and gee I’d like to pay off my mortgage. If the scenario of keeping her alive for the social security can be true, and it may be in some cases, then surely the opposite could be true as well.

You ended by suggesting we have that talk before the sad days...but in the eyes of the CBS special and apparently you, we could have the talk all we wanted...but our opinion shouldn’t be the final say...so why have the talk at all?

ROFLMAO!!!!!

You must be one of Jamie's little friends aren’t you?

And I bet that you must be a card carrying member of the government employees union to boot.

Make sure that you stay on the correct side of the yellow stripe running down the hallway of your office that separates those of you coming in to work late from the others who are leaving early.

Trouble speeling? Correction: Now I am having trouble spelling.

He is 10 or 15 pounds lighter now than when he was at home because he is working or fighting from before dawn to well after dusk. He has trouble spelling, thus letter writing is a pain for him, but he can field strip a rifle in 30 seconds and reassemble it in less time in the dark. He can recite to you the nomenclature of a machine gun or grenade launcher and use either one effectively if he must.

I resent the fact that you portay the kids as slightly stupid. Trouble speeling? Most are above average intelligence. You make it sound like John Frickin' Kerry, who said that if they couldn't graduate high school they would end up stuck in Iraq.

You many not have intended to come off this way but you did.

If you also read the other posts I made I did not say I didn’t want this vet to go untreated....to the contrary any soldier should be getting the care they need

Might have meant the average age at enlistment?

I take issue with the “average grades” and “can’t spell” stereotypes. They are NOT supported by the facts. Not at ALL. In fact, they are standard anti-military leftist propaganda (aka lies) that have been repeated far too often.

Maybe just out-of-date. My dad couldn't spell very well. But during WWII he was considered by his superiors indispensible in the Fort Knox motorpool, due to his experience with farm machinery from childhood and working on cars as a teen for some old coot, evidenced by favors he got in terms of passes, gas rations, nylons and stuff my mom tells me about when they dated 1944-7. She said he got out just about every night and drove a lot of other guys in and out of town. After he got out, he made a living at it the rest of his life. He died just after turning 65 and after a days' work at his body shop, still a poor speller. Just standing up for the bad spellers who serve. There are more important things.

“The average age of the military man is 19 years.”

Not unless there are a bunch of 3 year olds to average out all the geezers.

- admit I didn’t read the rest - it might be good - hard to get past the first line being flawed.

I used to be 1/2 boy 1/2 man. Best years of my life, so far.

Those of us who pay attention to this and know something of it know these young men are also, in many ways, boys.

But it has always been that way. The left likes to portray them as tools who are unable to make decisions on their own, and are hoodwinked into everything.

Never mind that we have these 19 year old “kids” making life and death decisions every single day in our armed forces. When these guys go house to house in an Afghan village, they need to make those decisions quickly and correctly, sometimes with news media standing around. An international incident can result from the individual combat decisions of a LCPL in the USMC deciding whether to shoot or not.

I had an incident myself when I was a flight deck troubleshooter at the age of 19 or 20. We were doing a Alpha strike exercise one day, which involves getting a lot of planes in the air all at once.

I was one of the troubleshooters, and was summoned to one of our aircraft that had oil leaking from the belly pan at a higher than normal rate. So while they were preparing the plane for launch, I pulled the panel off and stuck my head and shoulders inside to take a look. I saw tubing that had not been tightened quite enough, so I thought, hey, I can fix this. Just snip the safety wire, give it a turn until it stops, then rewire it and check the oil levels. I began to work, and it took me a little longer than I thought it would.

I felt a tap on my back, and looked down to see a pair of khaki trouser legs standing close to me. I pulled my torso out of the aircraft, and the chief got in my ear and yelled “How much longer?” When I said perhaps two or three minutes, he said “Okay. Hurry it up. The Captain is keeping the ship on this course until we launch this plane.” I didn’t think twice, nodded and stuck my head back in and finished up the job. The plane was the last one off the deck, and launched without incident.

It wasn’t until much later that I thought about it. Here I was, a 19 year old guy working on a plane, and an entire task force of perhaps 5-10 ships worth billions of dollars with thousands of men, all steaming in one direction waiting on me to do my job and do it correctly.

And this is the way our military operates. They take these 17-18 year old teenagers and give them training and responsibility. And these “kids” not only do it, they do it exceedingly well. So when I hear liberals talk about sending “children” to war, I know that would irritate the crap out of those “children” who are training hard, working hard and protecting our fat asses.

They have earned the right to be called men and women. You and I see it, but liberals don’t.

I take issue with the “average grades” and “can’t spell” stereotypes. They are NOT supported by the facts. Not at ALL. In fact, they are standard anti-military leftist propaganda (aka lies) that have been repeated far too often.

Otherwise, good piece, esp. toward the end.

These simplistic, knee-jerk, and emotional responses are useless in the discussion that has to be had about a person’s “right” to health care. The CBS piece was timely, as I for one am tired of putting in breathing tubes and feeding tubes into dying patients who want “everything done”.
Fact is, far too many people keep Grandma alive because of familial guilt or worse; collecting Granny’s Social Security check for instance. It’s an obscenity to God and man.
No one is talking about denial of care, though as a physician, I am not obligated to provide futile care.
Smoke? No exercise? How many pills do you pop? What’s your diet really look like? The vast majority of chronic illnesses are self-inflicted. New research is showing you CAN turn off cancer genes. Oh, and have “that talk” with your family NOW, before the sad days we all face.
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“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”

- George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

First Post and the screen is already blurry?

Congratulations

Thank you. Bless those the man-boys who serve. (and the girl-women, too)

My first post, hope you enjoy it.

How about all these advocates of this "Cost of dying" notion do us a favor and off themselves to save us the costs?

Oh but that is right, typical leftist trash, these rules are for thee not for me.

rofl I agree I don’t really think real Americans will stand for doctors telling them when their family members have to leave. Most people who end up in the hospital want to leave anyway, its not like we are just begging doctors to let us stay, we just want to get better and then leave! Then when theres people who really really need to stay or they won’t live, the doctors say “society can’t afford you! you have to get out and go die”!

And then what do they propose they do about all our families, when they kick them out on the streets because some government death zar is in charge? Are we supposed to just take themn home and just deal with it? For being all about helping out the poor, those liberals really don’t think things thru - isn’t having really really unhealthy people in your house all the time kind of dangerous? I had a friend who said that when her dad, tom, died, he and her grandma had a siezure and knocked over a coat rack and they had to sedate him with drugs. He was really old and all she wanted to do was help him but she is just a girl, how can she fight a 140 pound man, even really old?? Imagine if the democrats had their way and Dr. Death got to throw him out on his butt, he would probably end up at home with them in her living room or something, assuming they didnt just kill him right then and there. and he was really really scary after a year ago, she said he had had a stroke and would shout at her and called her some other name, and anyway he probably would have ended up turning over his dinner plate and burning the house down or something then. And are the democrats gonna wanna pay for that when that stuff starts happening!? When we have to keep old dying people around our house until they keel over or get us all killed?
Anyway she said that then, because of what he did, the doctors wanted to charge her family for a tv and a chair that got broken. Why should we give our taxes to these people when they nickel and dime us for everything they can think of already anyway? I mean people have to die and yeah thats sad and everything, but its not fair that rich people with lawyers can sue the hospital whenever they want and the hospital has to pay them, and thats all ok, but we have to pay the hospital whenever they say so. Maybe there should be a death panel for all the lawyers, that would kill two birds with one stone!

I though that the part about the 93 year old getting the defib was an apparent planted statement to defend a specific charge against Obama.

Remember back, I think it was during the campaign, when this woman stood up in some kind of a town hall and told this story about her mother who had gone on and gotten a pacemaker at 95, and then had gone on to have 10 more good, active years?

That seemed to me to be the point of the 93 year old defib patient...right after that spot, Dr. Death starts advocating for what I can only describe as “zero tolerance” when it comes to such operations on people of a certain, yet undefined, age. He specifically said that he wished they could just give the blanket statement that they didnt do “this proceedure” for someone of that age, without taking quality of life, or level of activity into question. I couldn’t help thinking about zero tolerance policies in schools, wherein if there is a fight, the principal doesn’t want to have to deal with who started it, or why, but rather just suspends both kids because fighting is “bad”.

This to me represents a step beyond a death panel; its more of a mandatory age limit. Logans run here we come. I have to believe that its because with the massive push for cradle to grave government dependance, they’ve run the numbers and figured out that one way to keep costs down is to move up the finish line as much as they can. The glory days of social security were back when very few people lived to collect more than a few years worth of checks. Is it so far fetched to believe that rather than admit the failure of the plan, they would rather just take us back to the good old days when there weren’t that many old people around?

Six years ago, my father in law was near death in a hospital in Fargo, ND. The hospital case worker came in and told my spouse and brothers in law that he needed to be moved out. The doctor objected, he stayed and died within 24 hours. This year, my father had a stroke, was unable to move his right side, unable to speak, and unable to swallow, after he was in the hospital in San Antonio for 6 days, the caseworker told us we needed to take him home or decide where to send him. His doctor objected, he stayed and passed away 4 days later. The government wants to take those pesky doctors out of the loop and force their own values on all of us without any recourse.

they are going to have to start installing metal detectors in hospitals...

because anyone coming to unplug any of my family members will receive a rapid onset lead injection.

Thank God they backed off! Hang in there - prayers for your mom’s recovery.

I bet nobody mentioned how much money was spent on Chappaquadick Ted for extending his life a few months. He did have what was probably a very expensive brain surgery on a tumor that all the medical experts agreed was a terminal case.

Baucus was there - or at least someone cast his vote for him. Voinovich was the only one not voting.

59 Minutes now advocating for death panels. Its one of the worst fake news shows on tv.

I got chills watching it. They’re setting us up for what’s to come with Obamacare.

Helth Care “reform” is health care redistribution.

The $50,000 is going to be spent on somebody who does NOT pay into any system; low income, indigent, illegal immigrant.

The $50,000 was being spent at the end of the life of somebody who WAS paying into the system; employer/private insurance, own cash.

I intend to be a health care resister, if the government tries to tax me for a system I don’t want to be a part of.

We were eating, some fat juicy burgers, so didn’t hear everything.

Guess we’ll be forced to eat Turkey Burger or Soy Burgers soon.

Scum of the earth. Glad to hear that you DEMANDED to see it.

I hope your mother’s doing better.

Does this mean "60 Minutes" is going to put Andy Rooney out of his misery?

I’m sorry, didn’t read this post.

One day, if I get the guts, I’ll have to give some of Mrs. Springman’s Medical issues, than you would know why we wake up in the middle of the night sometimes.

Thought I heard one of the Doctors say that’s why they run all the tests?

You could kind of tell that Kroft was leading him in that direction, and he may have indeed said fear of lawsuits was one of the reasons in the taping, but it looked liked the tape was quickly edited at that point.

Just take some pain pills and a six pack, you’ll die happy!!! /s

I was screaming at my television at the part where Dr. Death and the woman who agreed to allow her mother’s death to be used as a case study against the industry said “I think mainly all the tests were to cover their rear.” THEY WOULDN’T NEED TO DO ALL THOSE TESTS AND CALL IN ALL THOSE SPECIALISTS IF IT WEREN’T FOR AMBULANCE-CHASERS! Tort reform, competition across state lines, I guess you just can’t bring those up on the new state-run media.

I think I’d rather have a real death panel.

Thought I heard one of the Doctors say that’s why they run all the tests?

Not sure?

They’ve worked so hard to keep us all alive, lose weight, don’t smoke, don’t drink to excess, exersize, go to the doctor regularly, eat your vegetables and now they want us to hurry up and die.

cBS and the doctor(s) they interviewed advocate death panels. One doctor said it should not be up to weak patients to decide procedures, but to use a blanket policy to deny care for people in their particular conditions.

The patient and their family are the ones who should decide to live on not you guys at cBS and the doctors who advocate death.

Another doctor said today’s health care will lead the US to bankruptcy, and conveyed the idea that care should be withheld. I don’t agree with the premise...or by having the government completely takeover the health industry is the answer to cost problems that we don’t really have?

I did not need to see this on 60 Minutes, I have been fending off a Dr.Death this past week. She tried to scare me off treating my mother’s pneumonia. She even said she had a DNR,she and the er backed down in a hurry when I said let me see this document. There was no document I’m the medical power of attorney and I never signed one. After I demanded to see it they said they didn’t have a copy and that it was rescinded anyway, I looked straight at her and said IT NEVER EXISTED.

During the broadcast they mentioned that one of the reasons for the high cost of end-of-life healthcare is the cost of all the extraordinary tests ordered by doctors. But there was ZERO mention of WHY those tests are conducted:

FEAR OF LAWSUITS!!

CBS couldn’t bear offending the DNC’s main benefactor, the trial lawyers.

Just wow. We are offically living in Bizarro World. And it’s damn scary...