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  • Taking a Stand

    08/16/2017 8:47:01 AM PDT · 3 of 3
    sodpoodle to Lurkinanloomin

    Time for a gathering around MLK’s statue in DC by white Americans applauding him for his love of Christ, his fellow Americans and - for his admonition; “Judge a man, not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character”.

  • Taking a Stand

    08/16/2017 8:36:06 AM PDT · 2 of 3
    Lurkinanloomin to sodpoodle

    After the staged events at Charlottesville, anyone defending American history, values, culture or way of life is a racist white supremacist homophobic Islamophobic sexist bigot.

  • Taking a Stand

    08/16/2017 7:57:50 AM PDT · 1 of 3
    Proud mother of a Vet.
  • In Memory of a Fallen Comrade

    08/14/2017 8:11:25 PM PDT · 32 of 32
    Armscor38 to DJ Taylor

    Just read your post for the 1st time and words fail me.

  • Woman Caught Posing As U.S. Soldier Sentenced With Up To 20 Years In Prison (Stolen Valor)

    08/07/2017 6:37:00 AM PDT · 97 of 97
    manc to Tammy8

    Agreed, as a veteran, and my oldest is a Marine, and coming form a long line of military service in this family I am happy this freak got this sentence.

  • Woman Caught Posing As U.S. Soldier Sentenced With Up To 20 Years In Prison (Stolen Valor)

    08/07/2017 6:26:24 AM PDT · 96 of 97
    csvset to PROCON
    Trans = Mental disorder.

    The lunatics are running the asylum as they try to force this on to society.

  • Woman Caught Posing As U.S. Soldier Sentenced With Up To 20 Years In Prison (Stolen Valor)

    08/07/2017 6:19:03 AM PDT · 95 of 97
    manc to Chickensoup

    I wish the media would report news in a factual way, and not their agenda way.

    Cross dressing man pretending , or claiming to be a woman is more accurate.

  • Woman Caught Posing As U.S. Soldier Sentenced With Up To 20 Years In Prison (Stolen Valor)

    08/07/2017 6:16:05 AM PDT · 94 of 97
    manc to PROCON

    so this is a she thinking she is a guy, is this right? Also this sentence hopefully is a message to the other lazy turds out there who could not join up, and now pretend they are veterans , or serving military.

  • Decompress

    08/07/2017 4:24:39 AM PDT · 19 of 19
    reed13k to Sean_Anthony

    I believe part of it, not even necessarily a big part - but part, is the move out of a structured environment into one without structure that is causing some of the issues.

    I’ve seen the same thing with a lot of retirees 1-2 years after leaving the workforce. They don’t know what to do with themselves and become despondent.

    My own dad, disabled from MS and a heart attack, struggled for some time until he was able to establish a routine. Even now it gnaws on him not to have something to do that he thinks is worthwhile.

  • Decompress

    08/03/2017 12:08:45 PM PDT · 18 of 19
    mad_as_he$$ to Wiz-Nerd

    I think the OP is about Canadian soldiers.

    I had a string of SpecOps guys through our home all on R&R from the Sandbox. This was over the first ten years of this war. I agree, the ones that came back with some definite goals and things they wanted to accomplish did better both in the short term and the long term. We did everything we could to help them on their quest. Lost two out of about 75 - KIA and several wounded. That said I spent many a late night talking with many of them. These guy were mostly tier 1 and were buddies with my son. Several couldn’t wait to get back and get some; very mission driven and dedicated.

    Good news is that all have left the Military and moved on in life. Gotten married and are having kids. Thankfully none have committed suicide. We consider ourselves to be very lucky to have enjoyed the company of these heroes and we remain close to a few to this day seven years later.

  • Decompress

    08/03/2017 11:58:19 AM PDT · 17 of 19
    Wiz-Nerd to NEMDF

    Saw the same with my son’s unit, but it was longer before and after returning. Once they were back the men had to stay on base for two weeks if I remember correctly... no motorcycles, no automobiles, there might have been some restrictions on alcohol, too. After a month they got a block pass.

    After each deployment he did have a hard time sleeping in a bed, but that is to be expected after you had spent the last 10 months sleeping outside in the flea infested sand :-)

  • Decompress

    08/03/2017 11:50:50 AM PDT · 16 of 19
    Chainmail to Sean_Anthony
    The problem has always been there - it's just more visible now because we have so (comparatively) few of our young people involved in combat.

    In the recent past, we had more people involved, slower methods of transporting folks to the war and back, and in many cases, they rotated home with their units. A greater percentage of the populace was involved too, so there was a sense of sharing of the load.

    Most of that is gone: we have a very small portion of the people taking on the burden and they come to a world that barely knows that they exist, much less what combat means to them and their lives.

    Combat is about killing people and seeing other people killed. Combat is about pervasive, consuming fear - the constant knowledge that your next moment might be your last. After combat is about the guilt that you are leaving your friends behind, the deeply imprinted memories, the nightmares that last for months, maybe years, and the sorrow that you made it when really good people didn't.

    My generation had the benefit that it took a week or two to get home. We didn't have much "counseling" other than an experienced Staff NCO telling us to not tell anybody anything when we got back - that they wouldn't understand anything anyway.

    I completely understand suicide; I came close enough myself a couple of times.

    We get our best young people and plunge them into an environment that is unnatural and often horrific and will change them forever, then we expect them to put all those memories away and lock them up, out of sight. Didn't work for the men of WW II, didn't work for the guys returning from Korea and Vietnam - why should we expect leaving them to their own devices now would work this time?

  • Decompress

    08/03/2017 11:49:54 AM PDT · 15 of 19
    Wiz-Nerd to Sean_Anthony

    When my son was with the 82nd ABN (MOS 18B = hunt, kill, eat, sleep, poop, repeat) they brought them inside the wire to Kandahar or such to cool off for 30 days prior to returning to the US. So where they are getting this 24 hour business I don’t know.

    He is still in, but is now with the 1st SF Group.

    In my observations it was the men that had set goals for when they came back that did well. They were also the ones that either were, or became, team leaders, etc. It was the ones that came back without goals and just hung around the barracks, went out drinking, etc that did not do well.

  • Decompress

    08/03/2017 11:46:21 AM PDT · 14 of 19
    oh8eleven to Dilbert San Diego
    they could do these programs after the troops come home.
    It's not like they didn't already exist.
    When I left VN in '68, we stayed on Okinawa for 5 days. It essentially was a 5 day drunk.
    But as it was explained when we first got there, we were there to decompress and to get ready for life back in The World - even the stateside military world. And we did have meetings to that effect.
    A year later I was getting discharged and I had to attend a meeting called Operation Transition. Its purpose was to prepare us for entry back into the civilian world and I thought it helped a lot - especially when you consider what the civilian world was like in '69.
  • Decompress

    08/03/2017 11:24:58 AM PDT · 13 of 19
    Harmless Teddy Bear to Sean_Anthony
    Never was in combat, we were not allowed officially to be armed or shoot back.

    But after having been on edge for 18 months you can not just come back home and sleep in your own bed without some sort of rest period. You have tuned yourself so tight for the sake of survival that you see danger everywhere. It is not paranoia, there was danger everywhere.

    Now there isn't but it takes a while for that switch to flip (mostly) to the off position.

    And if you are trying to do that around people that don't understand it is difficult.

  • Decompress

    08/03/2017 11:03:56 AM PDT · 12 of 19
    Vaquero to Sean_Anthony

    Men alone should be fighting. Preferably single men. Then let them run loose in an area of ill repute. Just like it was during WW2. You know....when we WON wars.

  • Decompress

    08/03/2017 10:56:56 AM PDT · 11 of 19
    NEMDF to Sean_Anthony

    When our 2 of our 3 were in Iraq, they spent about 7-10 days in Kuwait on their way out, then couldn’t take leave for another 5 or 6 days, after returning to CA. It was long enough for them to adjust to sleeping without their weapons, at least.

  • Decompress

    08/03/2017 10:46:06 AM PDT · 10 of 19
    Sean_Anthony to Harmless Teddy Bear

    I think that being in an intense firefight and then less than 24 later, you are home in your bed, might be nice for the family, but it has to play merry Hell with the mind

  • Decompress

    08/03/2017 10:44:28 AM PDT · 9 of 19
    GOPBiker to grobdriver
    Not a psycholo... anything or played one on TV.

    That said, folks who have been in extremely stressful circumstances (I bet combat would be included there) cannot talk meaningfully about what has happened to them except with those who were there too.

    I bet they do not want to try to explain to a person with no frame of reference what it was like.

    In previous wars this function occurred on the troop ship home (or train or whatever) where they were traveling with their squad or company, people who shared the location and activity.

    Those people understand what you mean without excess words or explanation. Getting it off your chest (even if not completely) relieves a lot of pressure.

    Koombya and campfires are not what is required. Telling stories to peers is.

    Weeks are not required. A couple of days with plenty of beer, food and mild diversions will do wonders.

    Will it do everything; probably not but it would probably help some.

    I am a vet who had adventures but no combat. USN '68-'72

  • Decompress

    08/03/2017 10:40:34 AM PDT · 8 of 19
    Dilbert San Diego to grobdriver

    I have no military experience so don’t know all the personal feelings of deployment and coming home and all that.

    But I figure they could do these programs after the troops come home. Maybe when they are back home back at home base they could attend classes and meetings on these subjects?

    If these programs help prevent mental health problems that’s great. But I bet the guys are eager to get home not spend another 30 days somewhere to prepare to come home.