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  • (MA Episcopal) Diocesan clergy now allowed to marry all eligible couples (incl. Same-Sex)

    12/02/2009 9:01:17 AM PST · 16 of 16
    fatboy to MWS

    I guess some religion is better than no religion? Not that it’s any of my business of course.

  • (MA Episcopal) Diocesan clergy now allowed to marry all eligible couples (incl. Same-Sex)

    12/02/2009 8:54:40 AM PST · 15 of 16
    markomalley to MWS
    (I am assuming you are Catholic)

    Correct

    My point in all this, however, isn't to debate these matters so much as to show that there are still real theological differences between Anglicans and Catholics despite the significant similarities in the forms of our worship. I think those differences are probably deep enough to prevent the Catholic Church from accepting all of us in full communion. This is likewise the case with Anglicans and the Orthodox Church. None of this is to say that you won't find pockets of Anglicans who really are "Catholics without a Pope" so far as their beliefs go, but such are not necessarily representative of the whole.

    Hopefully the issues could be resolved. But I am glad to see that you all are preserving the degree of orthodoxy that you have. Y'all are in my prayers nevertheless.

  • (MA Episcopal) Diocesan clergy now allowed to marry all eligible couples (incl. Same-Sex)

    12/02/2009 8:48:19 AM PST · 14 of 16
    MWS to markomalley
    You should be more specific to avoid confusion in the future ;-)

    I probably should have. A lot of this stuff has occurred just over the past couple of years. Sadly, I am mostly just returning to church after a bit of a long hiatus and admittedly am not in the thick of things. I'd imagine, however, that this stuff makes for interesting reading, even for non-Anglicans (I am assuming you are Catholic).

    So, are you under that Ugandan primate?

    No, we are connected to the Anglican Church of the Southern Cone of America - Latin American bishops from Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Paraguay, Peru, and Uruguay. They are conservative much like some of the African bishops.

    How do you all interface with Canterbury? Does any of Rowan Williams' flakiness impact you all (female bishops and the like)? Any reaction locally to the recently released Anglicanorum coetibus?

    I sadly personally cannot answer these questions for most of the diocese or even my parish - my current focus is on the basics, such as trying to get my prayer life going again, reading Holy Scripture, and dragging myself into church on Sunday to put my backside into the pew in the first place. The fundamental yet most important things.

    I can speak for myself on the second and third questions, however. To be perfectly blunt, I personally am not fond of priestesses and high priestesses. Those are pretty much what I consider to be the proper terms for female priests and bishops and they better reflect the paganism which tends to be espoused by such. Case in point - Katharine Jefferts-Schori, the presiding "bishop" of the Episcopal synod. That woman gives off a spiritual vibe that quite gives me the willies.

    I was not familiar with Anglicanorum coetibus but I thank you for sharing it. It seems like a proper step in the right direction were dioceses to go back to Rome. Frankly, I am not sure how much of an impact that will have in the long run. Even among conservative Anglicans there are beliefs that don't quite fall within the realm of acceptable Catholic orthodoxy. Without going into the why's or wanting to start a debate here, some, such as myself, aren't just a bunch of pseudo-Catholics looking to become full Catholics so long as we can maintain an Anglican identity. There is a Protestant outlook underlying quite a few of our views. For example, I do think you will find that while there is an appreciation for Sacred Tradition not found in most Protestant Churches, you will also find a belief that Holy Scripture, insofar as it reflects that Tradition, is its supreme measure. While things not explicitly laid out in Scripture might very well be true, possible, or good, belief in such is not held as necessary for salvation. I mean, you will those such as myself who see Confession as a sacrament and a good thing who will turn around and tell you that we don't see it as necessary so much as a grace by which we are strengthened when our own faith is found lacking in the efficacy of our private confessions!

    My point in all this, however, isn't to debate these matters so much as to show that there are still real theological differences between Anglicans and Catholics despite the significant similarities in the forms of our worship. I think those differences are probably deep enough to prevent the Catholic Church from accepting all of us in full communion. This is likewise the case with Anglicans and the Orthodox Church. None of this is to say that you won't find pockets of Anglicans who really are "Catholics without a Pope" so far as their beliefs go, but such are not necessarily representative of the whole.