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He’s Kenyan??? Well! Nobody’s mentioned THIS before!

Shouldn’t we ask him??

If that is the case, I apologize as I had intended and should have said
“you all.....”

Now you can go back to pushing the story that it was illegal for Americans to Travel to Pakistan.

I never have.

I never said that Obama does not lie however, simply because he is dishonest does not mean that he is not constitutionally qualified to hold the office.

Now you can go back to pushing the story that it was illegal for Americans to Travel to Pakistan.

No, I did not change my statement which was that Dick Cheney, John Roberts, and the entirety of the House has all gone on the recored confirming that Obama is indeed constitutionally qualified to be president.

How about we compare a list of who is and who is not a Birther?

Not A Birther

Chief Justice John Roberts
Dick Cheney
Ann Coulter
Michele Bachmann
Sarah Palin

A Birther

Phil “George W. Bush is Responsible for the Attacks of 9/11” Berg
Joseph “Pterodactyls are flying over our Heads” Farah
Alex “9/11 Was an Inside Job” Jones
Leo “Black Helicopters are flying over my House” Donofrio

Believing Obama is telling the truth on anything are quite gullible.

And the First Kenyan BC that the birthers bought

And the Lucas Smith BC that the birthers bought

And that Obama “Proudly Touted His Kenyan Birth”

And the lie the it was against the law for Americans to travel to Pakistan

Those birthers seem to be quite gullible.

And you birthers wonder why every sane person thinks you're nuts.

Sane people think you Obots are the one who are nuts.

Here's some evidence for you:

You've got nothing.

- The Kenyan grandma admitting that she witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya before she remembered the official line.

She admitted no such thing.

- The many African newspapers proclaiming Obama is Kenyan born.

Gee. An African newspaper might get its facts wrong (and there's only a couple, not "many."). Who'd a thunk it?

- The many statements by Kenyan Parliament member on the 5th of November 2008. One member in particular saying Obama is "the son of the soil" of Kenyan and the Obama "originates from Kenya"

All that means is that he has Kenyan ancestry. Duh.

- The Kenyan ambassador in an unguarded moment all but admitted to Obama was from Kenya.

And how, exactly, would the Kenyan abmassador have any knowledge of the circumstances of his birth beyond what is already in the public domain? Are you asserting he whitnessed it?

- Lucas Smith's Obama Kenyan birth certificate has not been refuted with satisfaction as to be a forgery; As a matter of fact, Smith has done a good job at countering the claims.

LOL. You actually believe the thing is genuine? If that's the case, then there's no hope for you.

- The Kenyan government has passed law to build a shrine (cost $1.5 million) to Barack Obama in his hometown of Kogelo, Kenya. A Kenyan shrine to a foreigner? LoL!

They Kenyans are proud that a man of Kenyan ancestry is president of the USA, just like the Irish were proud that man of Irish ancestry was elected president in 1960.

This is evidence of Kenyan birth how?

What do you got as evidence?

For starters, there's the official statement from the Hawaii Department of Public Health that his vital records say he was born in Hawaii.

There's the complete lack of any evidence he was born anywhere else.

The complete lack of evidence that his Mom ever set foot in Kenya. There would be immigration records, both in the US and Kenya, at her ports of entry.

Not to mention the sheer implausiblity of an American college coed, with practically no money, traveling to Kenya in 1961, on a greuling journey half way around the world lasting a minimum of 2 days, while at least 6 months preganant, just so she could give birth to her son under third world conditions.

And you birthers wonder why every sane person thinks you're nuts.

No it doesn't. In fact, there's not a shred of evidence to suggest he was born anywhere other than Hawaii.

Here's some evidence for you:

- The Kenyan grandma admitting that she witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya before she remembered the official line.

- The many African newspapers proclaiming Obama is Kenyan born.

- The many statements by Kenyan Parliament member on the 5th of November 2008. One member in particular saying Obama is "the son of the soil" of Kenyan and the Obama "originates from Kenya"

- The Kenyan ambassador in an unguarded moment all but admitted to Obama was from Kenya.

- Lucas Smith's Obama Kenyan birth certificate has not been refuted with satisfaction as to be a forgery; As a matter of fact, Smith has done a good job at countering the claims.

- The Kenyan government has passed law to build a shrine (cost $1.5 million) to Barack Obama in his hometown of Kogelo, Kenya. A Kenyan shrine to a foreigner? LoL!

What do you got as evidence?

- A Hawaiian newspaper birth announcement that does not say to were Obama was born.

- A .jpg image purported to be Obama's Hawaiian Certification Of Live Birth (COLB) that has not stood up to scrutiny as genuine - it's a forgery. If the document was real Obama would have submitted it to a court BECAUSE it would be his best evidence bordering on proof. Logical conclusion: it's a forgery and all other excuses to why Obama has not submitted it as evidence are lame and stupid.

It would be such wonderful irony if Israel was responsible for outing the muslim fraud who calls himself Obama.

No, they are not spelled out clearly, as the writings that have been cited did not exist in the English language at the time of the ratification of the Constitution.

Moreover, the direct translation of the text in question does not include the term “natural born citizen.”

Finally, our laws are based on the Constitution, not writings of Swiss philosophers.

because we FReepers were the very first to claim it a fake by immediately pointing out the date!!!

Okay, so upon what do you base your belief that he attended Occidental as a foreign student?

Do you actually believe that Obama isn't directing them to make sure the BC stays hidden?

Obama had Perkins and Cole file a couple routine motions to dismiss. That doesn't cost $1.5 million dollars, or whatever the latest made-up birther figure happens to be.

A genuine Hawaiian birth certificate with a doctor's signature would make all of the law suits go away.

LOL. If you really believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

The fact that birthers would use a rumor originating as an April fools joke as the basis for some of their claims tells me quite a lot about how unhinged these jokers really are.

You are using Saul Alinsky tactics here to scew the truth, because we FReepers were the very first to claim it a fake by immediately pointing out the date!!!

BUT the preponderance of evidence that says he was born in Kenya

No it doesn't. In fact, there's not a shred of evidence to suggest he was born anywhere other than Hawaii.

And if the Framers based the Constitution on the French writings of Vattel, how is it they invented the term "Natural Born Citizen?"

Are you dyslexia?

Or are you only using one side of your brain??

All the facts are all spelled out clearly in post #189 for you and pals curiosity and N-S to see, what is that you don't understand???

The truth doesn’t matter. It’s the severity of the charge.

Again....What does this say about your honesty and honor?

It shows I'm willing to debunk fabricated charges against a man I loath. I'll let others decide whether they think that's honorable or not.

When did you get to see Obama’s Occidental records?

I haven't, but I'm not the one making claims about what's in them.

You don't seem to understand the concept of "burden of proof."

While you're at it, can you name a single scholarship or fellowship that was available to Occidental undergraduates who were Indonesian citizens but not US citizens?

I'll give you a hint: there weren't any.

An honest man would be HONORED for fully and promptly prove in every way possible that he was eligible to be president. He would do this even for a nut.

Yes, we all know he's not an honest or honorable man. Now what?

What does it say about **your** honor and honesty? Well? Your above comment also says plenty!

Yes, I think it says a lot, and I'm qutie happy to have my honor and honesty compared to yours any day.

I am hoping that The Kenyan will continue to screw up and that sooner rather than later even his lib. buddies will be looking for a way to remove him from office.

Failing that, my money is on the Mossad getting to the real COLB, as this guy is proving to be no friend of Israel.

Let Right Be Done

Since your mentor Emanuel, the ballet dancer, have taught you the skills of side-stepping, I just ask you again to answering the following:

“And, also since you always show up and you are a “master” of taking everything apart,..misleading... I may say, so please be our guest here to take this movie apart. Tell us, instead of LOL, what in this movie is NOT fitting in with your usurper in the W.H.”???

Oh, I just realized, I can prove that the foreign student story at Occidental was made it. It originated with an April Fool's joke email with a fake AP story. Snopes does a nice job laying it out:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp

The fact that birthers would use a rumor originating as an April fools joke as the basis for some of their claims tells me quite a lot about how unhinged these jokers really are.

Furthermore, birthers make up things to attack him on, such as the charge he registered as a foreign student at Occidental, or the charge that he's spent millions of dollars on defending birthers lawsuits. These are complete fabrications, and yet birthers continue to repeat them as if they were gospel truth.
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Again....What does this say about your honesty and honor?

When did you get to see Obama’s Occidental records? Please post where others have.

An honest man would be HONORED for fully and promptly prove in every way possible that he was eligible to be president. He would do this even for a nut.

What does Obama’s action say about his honesty and honor? Plenty! As you have so stated.

What does it say about **your** honor and honesty? Well? Your above comment also says plenty!

So, you contend that there are only two classifications of citizen — natural born and naturalized.

Yes. Those are the only two identified by the Constitution.

By your definition, anchor babies are natural born citizens and are eligible to serve as Commander-in-Chief.

Alas, yes.

I’ll take a pound of what you’re smokin’.

I honestly don't think you need any more of anything, given the bizarre nature of your posts. But by all means quote the clause of the Constitution or the law that defines natural-born citizenship in the manner you think it means.

Bingo! Obama is neither honest or honorable.

You act as if this is some sort of profound revelation.

I don't get who you would be so amazed by a fellow Freeper stating something that is obvious to any conservative.

The remainder of your comment is irrelevant to the question.

Your question is irrelevant to his eligiblity.

Whoa!...We certainly know a lot more about your honor and honesty in defending Obama!

I don't defend him. Knocking down kooky conspiracy theories about a person isn't the same thing as a defending him.

When did **you** get to personally examine Obama's Occidental records? Please provide the links where others have **personally** and fully examined these records and stated the citizenship Obama listed on his application.

The burden of proof lies on those who make an assertion, not on those who are skeptical of it.

As of yet, birthers haven't provided a single shred of evidence that even makes the foreign student story pluasible, let alone proves it. That's a pretty good indication someone just made it up.

So, you contend that there are only two classifications of citizen — natural born and naturalized.

By your definition, anchor babies are natural born citizens and are eligible to serve as Commander-in-Chief.

I’ll take a pound of what you’re smokin’.

He's neither an honest man nor an honorable man.

Bingo! Obama is neither honest or honorable.

The remainder of your comment is irrelevant to the question.

Furthermore, birthers make up things to attack him on, such as the charge he registered as a foreign student at Occidental, or the charge that he's spent millions of dollars on defending birthers lawsuits. These are complete fabrications, and yet birthers continue to repeat them as if they were gospel truth.

Whoa!...We certainly know a lot more about your honor and honesty in defending Obama!

When did **you** get to personally examine Obama's Occidental records? Please provide the links where others have **personally** and fully examined these records and stated the citizenship Obama listed on his application.

You changed your statement. But that’s what liberals do.

So...You still have NOT answered the following two questions:

I believe trumandogz did have an answer, albeit it was somewhat indirect. Let me answer it a bit more directly.

**What do Obama’s actions concerning his natural born status have to say about his honor and honest?

He's neither an honest man nor an honorable man. Unfortunately, however, neither honor nor honesty are necessary to be eligible for the presidency.

Simply pointing out that he is in fact eligible to be president in no way implies that he's a good president. I don't see why birthers have such difficulty in grasping this very simple point.

**What does Obama’s actions have to say about the honor and honesty of the people defending him?

It depends on what, specifically, they are defending. Obama is a horrible president who would destroy the country if he had his way, but not everything he's done in his life is blameworthy.

For example, he did nothing wrong by traveling to Pakistan in the 1980's. Likewise, it wasn't his decision to register as a Muslim when he attended school in Indonesia, nor was it his decision to go to Indonesia in the first place, so it makes no sense to attack him for these things. Yet birthers do it nonetheless.

Furthermore, birthers make up things to attack him on, such as the charge he registered as a foreign student at Occidental, or the charge that he's spent millions of dollars on defending birthers lawsuits. These are complete fabrications, and yet birthers continue to repeat them as if they were gospel truth.

I would say that people who viscerally oppose Obama's politics, but nonetheless defend him from such nonsensical attacks, are behaving quite honestly and honorably.

The same cannot be said for birthers who attack him for spurious reasons.

In point of fact, people like you do the conservative movement great harm in that you are distracting the public from the valid arguments against Obama.

Translating the French title (of this particular section): "Des citoyens et naturels"

To English, gives this: "Citizens and Naturals."

Couple that with...

Translating the French text: "les naturels, ou indigenes, sont ceux qui sont nes dans le pays, de parents citoyens"

To English, gives this: "the natural, or indigenous, are those born in the country, parents who are citizens"

We can see that this particular text is defining the "natural" or naturals. Natural what? He's talking about citizens here and making a differentiation between "citizens" and "natural(s)" citizens who are those born in country to two citizen parents.

Of course, he also describes "Citizens" which is the other group that's part of the section title.