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Sorry, general whining does not constitute proof of any “death threats” or property damage....as a matter of fact, I found a death threat against Gloria Nieto, the volunteer political director for San Jose’s Billy DeFrank LGBT Community Center who received them via email.

“MORMONism is not a ‘denomination’”...

Then you best set the people at Wikipedia.org straight: (Let em know that the Lutheran belief is the ONLY way to heaven!).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

Merry Christmas Ms. Elsie!

I try not to write anything that I can’t back up with proof.

“Mormons were particularly and systematically targeted for supporting Prop 8. One leading gay-rights activist in West Hollywood said, “The main finger we are pointing is at the Mormon church’”[57] Joe Solmonese, head of the Human Rights Campaign, echoed this sentiment on the Dr. Phil show when, in response to a question from a Mormon audience member asking why his church was being targeted, he reportedly declared, “We are going to go after your church every day for the next two years unless and until Prop 8 is overturned.”
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Family/bg2328.cfm

(If this makes you feel better: “Someone used a heavy object wrapped with a Yes on 8 sign to smash the window of a pastor’s office at Messiah Lutheran Church in Downey.”[26]).

Fellow Christians are NOT our enemy! On that note, Merry Christmas and long live our republic!

Uh... yeah...

MORMONism is not a 'denomination', so the answer is no.

I'm SURE you can provide links and proof of these "death threats" and "property damage".

I imagine the Lutherans were "sitting back" and watching the mormons take all the public credit for defeating Prop8 along with all the other churches and groups who ALSO worked to defeat it.

It appears that the Mormons saw another danger to the church (and civilized society). They were largely responsible for the defeat of homosexual marriage in CA. (Prop 8), resulting in death threats to members of the Mormon religion, as well as property damage done to their temples.

Ahem, where were the Lutherans during this critical time in American history? I know, they were sitting back and judging the Mormons!

That sounds like an excellent question for the leaders of the mormon church and their 60,000+ missionaries who are out there every year trying to convert Christians from other denominations.

Elder Boyd K. Packer stated, "In the Church we are not neutral. We are one-sided. There is a war going on, and we are engaged in it." (Brigham Young University Studies, Summer 1981) He goes on to basically call objective, impartial, and scholarly writings the evil that should be fought in this 'war'. On another occasion he claims that scholars and intellectuals are a danger to the church.

What is it you say...."I marvel at the different denominations that argue “No, my way is the only way to heaven!”.

Let’s just clarify.

You do understand that there is a massive split in factions of the Lutheran Church over this issue don’t you?

I happen to believe that character, as in what are core beliefs, counts more than "positions and track record"...but...be my guest.

Is the Lutheran collection plate running dry? I marvel at the different denominations that argue “No, my way is the only way to heaven!”.

You’re picking the wrong battle. Does God have a special place in heaven for those that convert others from different denominations?

We’re both needed Elsie. God needs you to congregate with fellow women and children and pray for the individual salvation of sinners.

God needs men that aren’t afraid to face evil and go out and defeat it.

Pray for the latter, it’s gonna be a bloody war.

>>I’ve been Wesleyan since ‘81 and have NEVER heard this in my church.

I’ve never heard it from the pulpit. It was a three-week discussion in Sunday School a short time ago. Most people were fascinated by the discussion and the differences in philosophy, but a few hardened Methodists thought that TULIP was just crazy and became quite agitated. I enjoyed the discussion because we used a Presbyterian study guide for the class, so it was extremely critical of Arminianism, but we were still able to prove (at least to our satisfaction) that Wesley was more correct, but not absolutely correct.

And that’s why I chose Wesley’s church over others (despite the liberal upper leadership), because we all like a good argument even on the basic doctrine of the denomination.

When I vote I look at positions and track record. I don’t check for magic underwear. But if you like doing so, be my guest. :-)

Like I said ask the list owner.

What is a Smithian?

I rest my case!

“Look at Delmar here.”
“Yeah; look at me!”

“I, on the other hand, remain unaffiliated.”

'Cause there will not BE many, as the 60,000 MISSIONARIES got yanked off of their bikes and zapped.

NOW how they gonna corner folks with little biblical knowledge?

NOW you’ve done it!

I’ll have to come rip your heart out!

MORMONs give evidence of doing it quite well!

Or at least are able to COMPARTMENTALIZE quite well.

You may CONCLUDE whatever your little heart desires; Mr. Grinch!

I've been Wesleyan since '81 and have NEVER heard this in my church.

If anyone wants to believe that GOD controls them and their every move; I guess they can.

(Have I steered this thread away from MORMONs and turned it into a C vs A fight? ;^)

Depends on WHICH methodists - just like the lutherans...

It’s like asking Flds folks to make amends for what the SLC branch of MORMONism FAILS to believe!

1Ti 5:24-25
Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some [men] they follow after. Likewise also the good works [of some] are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.

Not quite...MITTBOT's are not welcome cause Mitt's a RINO!

I think she's dead and awaiting the trumpet blast like all the others who have died in Christ in the last 2000 years...

Well; since that is NOT found in this thread; you'll be leaving us?

Well apparently not the leadership of the Evangelical Lutheran Church and a bunch of other communist “Churches”

Roman Catholic – 27%

Protestant

Mainline – 11%

Evangelical – 13%

Other Protestant – 2%

Latter-day Saint/ Mormon – 11%

Muslim – 2%

Jewish – 1%

Other Religions – 1%

Unaffiliated – 20%

Matthew 7:13-14
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

But your FEELINGS are not what GOD will be using to do the judging.

One can live in the Communist Chinese hellhole of a country and Christianity will STILL save your soul.

MORMONism, OTOH, will NOT!

ANYONE with a LICK of sense KNOWS that it's sinful!

From any MINORITY religion in Nevada?

But "WE" don't get to vote for (against) him. Only Nevadans do.

Psh. You’re credibility went down to zero when you claimed you’ve been given “permission to smack” other people. Bye bye!

...[then]...ignore the islamofascists. [sarcasm by Larry Lucido]

PNH, perhaps you should update your premise...read a bit about Lds bomber Mark Hoffman, or better yet, about the Lafferty brothers and the 1857 conspirators in the best-seller by Jon Krakauer, UNDER THE BANNER OF HEAVEN: A STORY OF VIOLENT FAITH.

The fact is that for exactly half of Mormonism's restructuring since Joseph Smith's death, the Lds had this temple oath of vengeance:

"You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, and that you will teach the same to your children and to your children's children unto the third and fourth generation."

This oath was initiated a year after Smith's death (1845). It was recited by Mormons in their temples through part of 1927 -- 82 years ago. So it was recited for 82 years. And now they've been silent in the temple oaths for 82 years. Why? Because a Mormon "prophet" put together a committee for six years (1921) to study this matter. It took the Mormon "prophet" 6 years, via committee, to come up with it being removed. [A true "prophet" of God would take nanoseconds]

Well, tell us: What's going to prevent a future Lds "prophet" from appointing a committee to study reinstating this oath? If it was "true" for 82 years; why wouldn't be true for a future 82 years?

George Romney, Mitt's father, may have recited this temple oath as an 18, 19, & 20 yo (George Romney was born in 1907). What would prevent Mitt from "honoring" what his dad may have embraced as a sacred religious oath at one time? George Romney may have promised to almighty God to teach it in his family, according to this oath to his third/fourth generations. IOW, we're only one generation removed from people who swore to God to not only carry it out but teach it to their kids, grandkids, great-grandkids, and great-great grandkids.

And frankly, we all know that you don't "teach" something to your great-great grandkids, and even most great-grandkids face-to-face...these men may have left this in writing. How do we know that the WWI generation Mormons, who were prominent personal journal-keepers, haven't advised this "legacy" to be promptly taught? (Or do you think that Mormons are so anti-sacred that they don't honor their sacred vows made to their god???)

Truth is, most people who witness don’t feel qualified. I have a BA in Biblical Studies (both academic and pastoral tracks) and *I* don’t feel qualified. lol.

All you can do is pray that God will give you the words they need to hear and trust that He will (and He will do it).

I am sure that the Christians who witnessed to me didn’t feel qualified either.

Peace sister.

R

Touche' EJONES!