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Tell the teacher how unfair you think it is that your son is not teaching the class.

Point well made.

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Reading your post with the teacher’s response now... Aside from the errors, the teacher’s explanation doesn’t sound so bad, if she handled the lesson as she described it. (I see you’re in my state, by the way.)

We homeschool parents here on FR put together a list of educational resources, including books and resources for history. Click here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2346553/posts?page=5#5

For the record: I have a 12yo son, too, and another son who was the same age not too long ago. I would’ve handled the issue the same way by simply pointing out to my son that most people weren’t invited to the Constitutional Convention. Only delegates were invited to represent their states, and back then the delegates were men whose ancestry traced to a certain part of Europe, specifically England, Wales, etc. (Someone here with a better grasp of historical facts can provide more information, I’m sure.)

IMHO, it’s appropriate to talk about the ancestry of the men who molded and shaped this nation at the beginning. But, rather than just calling them “white men”, why not be more specific? Why doesn’t the teacher talk about their specific heritage and how it influenced them? Honestly, I would tell my 12 year-old son that his teacher gave him a dumbed-down lesson to bring home.

That is so true, and so unPC, but I repeat myself.

“White Christian Males” built this country and the concepts of individual liberty in Western Culture.

www.notgrass.com has WONDERFUL textbooks, written by Ray Notgrass. I have them, you’ll like them

A truly awful book I encountered in college. Fortunately my homeschool education let me see just how ridiculously stupid it was.

If you poke around on the HSLDA site, you might come up with a link to something.

I remember listening to a speech by Michael Farris where he talked about the Howard Zinn history book - NOT THE ONE TO GET!!! - being the PC history book of choice for colleges everywhere.

PS, found it:
Google “patriots history of the united states”

Noticed (and thought of) by others.

Interesting posting history.

This whole concept of applying today’s standards of thought to yesterday’s actions and posthumously judging them on it is ridiculous. Writing up a legal document and establishing a new government is not easy stuff. It does take people with minds to think, lawyers for one thing to cover the legal bases.

I wonder exactly what input it is that she thinks they should have had or would have had? Some of today’s touchy-feeling special rights nonsense?

Even though the Constitutional Convention was composed of men only, yes, educated, white men, you are right, it reflected the standards of the day, which did not include worrying about *being faaiiirrr*. They had more important work to do setting up the government than worrying about people’s feelings.

If you read the Constitution and Declaration of Independence carefully, you will not find anywhere where women, blacks, Indians, *poor people* (whatever that means) etc, are specifically excluded from the *all men are created equal* clause. So, just because it was white men who wrote up and signed the documents, doesn’t mean that they didn’t take others into account. They did the best they could at the time.

Thomas Jefferson moved to outlaw slave trade as soon as he could and signed a law making it illegal in 1807.
Now, these documents established our current government and the laws and protections included were for citizens. BUT, the laws of each individual state regarding citizenship are a different issue.

Also, it was not only *rich, white* people who received an education.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2005/is_n4_v29/ai_18600988/

Literacy was considered important in those days, because of the importance of being able to read the Bible. Children went to school when and where they could, and often, if they didn’t have access to public education, they were instructed at home.

So, while there is a disparity in literacy, not just wealthy, white, landowners who were the only ones to receive an education.

Honestly, teachers like your son’s are just one of the myriads of reasons so many of us homeschool.

Don’t worry, cc. Some people have itchy trigger fingers because some disruptors DO have posting histories similar to yours. You’re obviously not a disruptor, so pay no attention to such comments.

I would ask him if he is unable to understand history why is he teaching it? His comment is as stupid as saying why didn't they have gay rights or write in something to cover internet usage as well. If he can't teach according to the understanding of people in that time period, then he shouldn't be teaching at all.

We used ABecka books for our homeschool history classes.

Check into classical education curriculum or http://www.welltrainedmind.com/

Ping to homeschoolers.

Someone is looking for history curriculum that gives an accurate treatment of history, not a PC one.

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I worked for College textbook companies in the early seventies through into the eigthies. I was amazed at the chnges which got incorporated into the texts in just a two year span, over and over again. An example is the ‘evolving’ definition of homosexuality, which was defined in an abnormal psyche text as abberrant behavior, then destructive life style, then alternate life style, then not even included finally in the definitions of abnormality. There were similar ‘evolutions’ of data in History texts and accompanying ‘readers’ used with various Humanities courses. If someone wanted to see the growing influence of socialism/liberalism infecting America, all you have to do is consult the texbooks of the fifties and early sixties as they ‘evolved’ over three following decades. The really pernicious devolution happens when a committee re-writes an old standard text whose author lived in the decades of the Depression and the second World War. During the early eighties, the committee approach to fashioning a PC text became vogue.

Go to a used book store and check out some old civics books. Book stores often carry old text books for homeschoolers and collectors. Also, it is interesting to look at the older books written by men for boys.

The way I explained the evolution of freedom in America to my children: We started out with white men from Europe who basically hated each other overcoming their bias towards one another from different European Nations to become Amercians. Then we moved to overcome beliefs of sexual inequality. Then we moved to overcome racial inequality or the inequality of ethnic groups beyound Europe. European Nations have followed our lead. African, South American, Arab and Asian countries - not so much. (In Africa, they are murdering whites and albinos, for example.)

As they got older, I explained to them how the elite use race hate and unconstitutional preferences to divide people so they can get power. How they did it with the White majority in history and how they do it with the “diversity” majority (white women and minorities against white males) today. Actually, my oldest son saw this liberal craziness for himself and asked me if his observations were correct. I just made it clear that we don’t believe in race doctrines about any group even when a racist teacher still does.

After emailing my son’s teacher about how I felt about the study guide he distributed about how I disagreed about the use of the word unfair, this was the teacher’s email response. Note the spelling and grammatical errors. lol This is the garbage that our nation’s youth is being fed.

“We talked as a class how mostly the rich received formal education after grade school. Some children did not recieve any education at all until the mid 1800’s, when formal eduation took hold. The reason why I use the term unfair is because the delegates created a representative democracy, yet didn’t include all they were representing. We talked about why they wouldn’t include the genral masses in the convention, and most children agreed that they wouldn’t have included them either because they were not informed or educated. We linked this with the creation of the electoral college because the founding fathers were very leery of letting an uneducated public choose the President. I hope Tim, understood the education piece, I can clear it up in our next discussion too, because maybe some other kids are unclear in it as well.

If you have any other questions, please let me know”

Sorry I am new to free republic. I thought the intent was to get new members and to promote discussions. The first post did not show up so I thought I did it incorrectly. I do not understand your accusation of my “trolling” and posting a “vanity” youtube thread. Are you the monitor of this site ansel12? If so, I don’t think your accusations are very motivating to people new to the site.