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I actually still use Firefox 2.0 because some of my favorite add-ons and themes are not Firefox 3 ready.

IE8 must be a bigger bulkier file, the Hulk of browsers

lol. When I first got online I had such an old machine the ISP sent me a floppy with Netscape 1.22

I really liked that browse, heh

You were saying ...

If the government becomes a tyranny? You can’t hide behind Romans 13 to avoid your duty as a citizen, Star Traveler.

Well, I know you want to ignore and disregard God's Word, but there are Christians who don't... :-)

   Romans Chapter 13

 1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there
   is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are
   appointed by God.

 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of
   God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.

 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want
   to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have
   praise from the same.

 4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be
   afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's
   minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also
   for conscience' sake.

 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers
   attending continually to this very thing.

 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due,
   customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

 8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves
   another has fulfilled the law.

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Paul didn’t, after all. He frequently disobeyed the government.

And there you go again... once again... LOL...

As I've said before you always ignore the provisos... It's like I said, when you have God's direct word on something He tells you to do and the authorities contradict God, then the Apostles said that you obey God and not the authorities...

Like I've said, God is the higher authority and He's already told Christians what to do in regards to obeying authorities except in the case where the authorities contradict what God has directly commanded.

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Ah, but as always, you are too dense to understand that there are larger issues than the legal system.

You can say "neener, neener neener" all you want, and it won't change the legal system, until you go through the process to change the result that you get in the legal system through the other branches of government.

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Jesus didn’t “obey the authorities” and neither did his Apostles.

And there you go again, just ignoring those provisos as has already been stated. LOL...

As I've said several times now, when God has commanded to do something that the authorities say not to do, God has said that this is when you obey God. That's the proviso that you keep ignoring, while wanting to ignore what God has already said about obeying the authorities...

You are one mixed up dude... :-)

And with Jesus, you do seem to forget that Jesus is God of the Triune Godhead of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit... :-) Jesus Himself is the very center and object for all of Scripture.

To put it simply, He makes the rules as He has laid them down in the Bible as they are His very character. And He has also said to obey the authorities, too -- but you seem to want to "pick and choose" which parts of the Bible you like and which you don't like...

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Oh, come on. You can’t be that dense (actually, you can). Paul wasn’t talking about about God being “afraid of Rome”, but that His followers shouldn’t make legal trouble for themselves if they could avoid it without breaking God’s law.

I can see your big problem here. It was God who wrote that, not Paul. Paul was the human agency that God used to write God's very words, as they are inerrant, infallible, without any error in all that they teach and all that they speak about.

And God simply isn't afraid of Rome or causing trouble or anything like that. You're thinking "human terms" -- as you keep referring to Paul and how he would think as a human being, transposing your human thinking onto him.

Sorry, God doesn't think like that. We have His exact and inerrant word for how God thinks. And when it does make it clear, you simply make up "human reactions" to explain away what God clearly states to all Christians.

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You tell me.

Well, when I asked if liberalism was a bear, I was asking the expert... LOL...

You're sure an expert at the "liberalism" of Scripture in anthropomorphizing it into your own image... LOL...

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The New Testament is clear.

The entire Bible is clear, the Old Testament and the New Testament, which is one Bible, from beginning to end. And certainly with it all being clear -- it's also very clear that you don't want to follow all that it says... :-)

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I understand Him. You do not speak for Him.

Ummmm..., I think you're hearing that same voice that some woman heard in the Garden of Eden... hissing at you... LOL...

I can be well assured that you certainly don't speak for him. However, I don't speak for Him either -- but I do follow what He says, which apparently you have a problem with.

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You can’t even read the clear text of the Bible and sneer at anyone who doesn’t agree with your particular, and modern, theology.

Ummmm..., that's a mirror that you're looking into... LOL...

And while we're at it about poor examples... there are many people who would consider Jesus, Himself to be a "poor example" of who Jesus should be... LOL...

   Matthew Chapter 23

13 But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up
   the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves,
   nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows'
   houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will
   receive greater condemnation.

15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and
   sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much
   a son of hell as yourselves.

16 Woe to you, blind guides, who say, 'Whoever swears by the temple, it is
   nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obliged
   to perform it.'

17 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that
   sanctifies the gold?

18 And, 'Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears
   by the gift that is on it, he is obliged to perform it.'

19 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that
   sanctifies the gift?

20 Therefore he who swears by the altar, swears by it and by all things
   on it.

21 He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells in it.

22 And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him
   who sits on it.

23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of
   mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters
   of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done,
   without leaving the others undone.

24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!

25 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the
   outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion
   and self-indulgence.

26 Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that
   the outside of them may be clean also.

27 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like
   whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside
   are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.

28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are
   full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

29 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the
   tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous,

30 and say, 'If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not
   have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.'

31 Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of
   those who murdered the prophets.

32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt.

33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

I mean, really! How rude! Doesn't Jesus know that He's not being very "Jesus-like" when He does stuff like that...

   John Chapter 2

13 Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to
   Jerusalem.

14 And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and
   doves, and the moneychangers doing business.

15 When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the
   temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers'
   money and overturned the tables.

16 And He said to those who sold doves, "Take these things away!
   Do not make My Father's house a house of merchandise!"

17 Then His disciples remembered that it was written, "Zeal for
   Your house has eaten Me up."

Ummmm..., I'm sure a lot of people think that Jesus let His temper get the better of Him. Doesn't Jesus know that He's not being very "Jesus-like" by going around with a whip and throwing things down and causing chaos like that?

My... my... Jesus just isn't being very Jesus-like, is He? LOL...

IE6?? 13.89%...

say wha...?

Free download people!!

Perfectly reasonable. Some websites run better on IE6. There are also a number of Win 98se boxes out there running specialty apps that have not and will not be updated to Windows 2000+ anytime soon.

IE6 uses fewer resources and works better on older units with less RAM

The free download may not be trivial for those with 56K modems.

And some people just say, "If it ain't broke..."

Well, I don’t know if anyone else has had this problem, but I down loaded IE8 and my browsing was slowed down to nearly a halt. I uninstalled IE8 and went back to IE6 and everything works fine.

firefox crashes and hangs a lot I find on Windows7.

I have the same issue. The cut and copy menu items are often grayed out randomly.

I still run IE6 and will until they stop security upgrades. Firefox is my browser as I use a bunch of addons including those that make commenting on FR a lot easier, primarily bbXtra.

I’m just glad Chrome finally came out in Linux, my experience has been that Firefox is a dog on Linux.

IE6?? 13.89%...

say wha...?

Free download people!!

firefox crashes and hangs a lot I find on Windows7. I have 3 installs of 7 and all three have the issue. I am completely up to date as firefox has pushed out a few stability updates as of late. I love their browser. I hate IE with a passion... Hope they fix the stability issues soon.

Firefox is a monopoly!!!

For your tech PING! list

And Firefox 3.6 might be out before New Year's Day:

Mozilla shoots out fifth Firefox 3.6 beta Release date set for Christmas Day? You never know...

I guess you couldn’t have.

> Today you can get a $300 computer and $50 printer and do all that...We take it for granted. And that $5000 computer cost $13,000 or more in 2008 dollars

In 1988 I quit my engineering job at an aerospace outfit, and became an independent consultant for about five years. I'd used Compaq and HP computers running MSDOS, and some Macs. I decided I needed a portable computer for my consulting work.

I chose a Toshiba machine that was cutting-edge at the time: 20MHz 386/387 CPU/MPU, 8MB RAM, 100MB HD, 640x480 orange plasma display (16 levels of orange). And two ISA plug-in card slots. Ran on AC (no batteries). Weighed about 10 pounds as I recall. Ran MS-DOS 4.0.

That machine cost me $9200 in 1989.

A few years later, for another grand or so, I expanded it to a 320MB HD, and got a Cyrix 486 CPU that ran at 40MHz (wow!) and plugged into the 386 socket. Then I could run Windows 3.11.

Later I loaded Win95 on it, and used the VGA output for color, but that was all it could take. Had to get a new machine... I finally threw out the old chassis a year ago while cleaning out my shop.

Ah, but I digress... ;-)

You were saying ...

He is referring to Judgment Day, not some 1000 year super-government.

Except for the problem that He says differently... LOL...

“Your kingdom come... huh? That means your kingdom come where — well it says... “On earth as it is in heaven””

I will say this one more time:

He is referring to Judgment Day, not some 1000 year super-government.

“I would say that I can work in the political system, I can lobby, I can vote, I can go through legal processes where necessary, I can talk to my representatives, I can talk to other people and organize — but not any kind of armed rebellion... I would say no, because that’s what the Bible says very clearly....”

If the government becomes a tyranny? You can’t hide behind Romans 13 to avoid your duty as a citizen, Star Traveler. Romans 13 doesn’t say you should submit to a tyrannical government. Paul didn’t, after all. He frequently disobeyed the government.

” In the meantime, whatever the legal system say you “can do” is right, and whatever the legal system says you “cannot do” is wrong — as far as that legal system is concerned.”

Ah, but as always, you are too dense to understand that there are larger issues than the legal system.

“And if God tells you to obey the authorities, and it’s not in one of those areas where God has already made clear what He expects directly of you — then God has told you about what to do — in Romans.”

Jesus didn’t “obey the authorities” and neither did his Apostles.

“It’s God’s Word and God is not afraid of Rome and neither is He afraid of any other entity in this universe. There’s no problem with God being afraid of some entity and being “careful” because of this fear (or something like that...)... LOL...”

Oh, come on. You can’t be that dense (actually, you can). Paul wasn’t talking about about God being “afraid of Rome”, but that His followers shouldn’t make legal trouble for themselves if they could avoid it without breaking God’s law. The other point of Romans 13 is that we should not obey the law only because of fear of temporal punishment, but because its the right thing to do - providing it doesn’t break God’s law. You really ought to read further, since you seem to think Romans 13 says you should submit to tyranny.

“Isn’t liberalism a bear... “

You tell me.

“Well, what you call “arrogance” is someone who can actually “see something” — as compared to you, who says, “I can’t figure out anything, because he says that, and over there, they say this, and then someone else say that... and so on.... LOL...”

The New Testament is clear. You dispensationalists are wrong. You are free to disagree, but do not presume in your smugness that I am a fool because I don’t agree with you. I can read the Bible for myself. I do not agree with your personal interpretation of it.

“I think you understand perfectly well what you’re saying but not what Jesus is saying... :-)”

I understand Him. You do not speak for Him.

I’m done with you. You are very nearly the most arrogant person I’ve ever encountered... and I’ve met my share. You can’t even read the clear text of the Bible and sneer at anyone who doesn’t agree with your particular, and modern, theology. For someone who presumes to lecture on Christianity, you are a very poor one by example.

You raise a good point Mr. Blonde. Some of the best track bits I ever recorded were accidents that I had to work with. Made the songs way more interesting. The limitations of four track cassette recording made for some serious creativity stretches.

NOTE: This update is for 27"screen iMacs only... do not use on any other!

So you're saying that it probably wouldn't work on my old RCA XL100 27 incher?

I've had some image corruption lately, and I'd hate to have to hunt up a new picture tube, know what I mean?

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I don’t think it’s him in that photo.
I could be wrong of course.

Look alike maybe to keep idiots doing AQ’s dirty work ?