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“NAM is a communist front organization which I oppose.”

It is?? Gee, I wonder if India, Thailand, Philipines, South Africa, Singapore, Jamaica, Fiji, etc are aware of that?

I’m sorry Tailgunner Joe, but some of your comments show no logic at times.

As to you not hating anyone, a lot of your comments (at least those on the Balkans threads) sure do paint a different picture. But that’s just my opinion.

Have a good day Tailgunner Joe!

Lol! There are at least 117 other countries in the world that you should also hate according to your reasoning Tailgunner Joe. All the members of the NAM organisation for example.

This is what Wikipedia says about NAM in case you don’t know what the NAM organisation is...

“The Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) is an international organization of states considering themselves not formally aligned with or against any major power bloc. It was founded in April 1955; as of 2007, it has 118 members. The purpose of the organization as stated in the Havana Declaration of 1979 is to ensure “the national independence, sovereignty, territorial integrity and security of non-aligned countries” in their “struggle against imperialism, colonialism, neo-colonialism, racism, Zionism, and all forms of foreign aggression, occupation, domination, interference or hegemony as well as against great power and bloc politics.”[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement

Sure, most of these countries are tiny and insignificant countries with little to say when it comes to world politics but together they do make up almost 2/3 of the UN member states and 55% of the world’s population.

So what’s it like to hate more than half of the world’s population?

“but Serbia has a military security pact with Iran.”

And your point is ???

Serbia has military/security pacts with several countries...including the US. The Serbian army even trains with Americans in Ohio (see: http://www.vojska.mod.gov.yu/eng/MVS/Ohajo/01.07.2007_bolja_komunikacija_sa_svetom.html)

Serbia also contributes to UN peacekeeping forces in Libera, Ivory Coast and DR Congo.

“Albania has troops in Iraq and has said they will say in Iraq as long as America does. They have troops in Afghanistan too. Serbia doesn’t.”

You might want to read this article:

“Serbia Will Send Troops And Police to Afghanistan

By ELAINE SCIOLINO
Published: October 4, 2003

The United States has accepted an offer by Serbia and Montenegro to send up to 1,000 combat troops and police officers to Afghanistan to join American forces there, senior Serbian officials and foreign diplomats said today...”

You can read the rest here: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02EFDB153CF937A35753C1A9659C8B63

Btw, you are aware of Albania’s co-operation with Iran aren’t you?

“Iranian envoy to Tirana meets Albanian official

Saturday, July 05, 2008 - ?2005 IranMania.com

LONDON, July 5 (IranMania) - Iran’s Ambassador to Tirana, Ali Beman Eqbali Zarech held a meet with the Albanian director of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of Tirana Gjoke Uldedaj, MNA reported.

Referring to the sides’ potentials in trade, Uldedaj welcomed the expansion of ties between the sides’ private companies and investors.

He also called the countries’ chambers of commerce and industry to boost their ties through dispatching delegations and holding fairs.

Eqbali Zarech, for his part, welcomed the reinforcement of mutual economic relations, introducing Iran’s potentials in the fields of energy, construction, agriculture, and consumer good.

The Iranian diplomat voiced Iran’s enthusiasm on foreign investors’ presence in the country.”

http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleView/Default.asp?NewsCode=59763

From many of your previous posts you give the impression that you “hate” all that cooperate with Iran...seems your “beloved” Albanians are also working with Iran and have been for some time!

Humor is a good thing to have and rather entertaining when it comes to the Balkans threads on FreeRepublic ;)

“Sorry, Jane, if that article weren’t such pathetic propaganda, it would actually be funny.”

Oh I agree with you totally Bokababe! I stuck this piece in “in hope” that one of the pro-Kosovo people here might explain to me why Albanians are calling on Kosovo to join “the Organization of the Islamic Conference”. Kosovo Albanians are so “liberal” according to them!

Btw, I found another couple of articles about both Croatia and Albania set for “all out cooperation with Iran”. Didn’t someone on the Balkans threads whine about Serb and Russian ties to Iran recently? I’ll send you the links if you want them.

Here’s the link to the article:

http://www.newkosovareport.com/200807061024/Arianit-Dobruna/Kosovo-and-the-Islamic-world.html

Found this today....rather interesting. Written by two Albanians of course...

Kosovo and the Islamic World
By Arianit Dobruna and Gent Prokshi
Sunday, 06 July 2008

One of the greatest ironies of the Kosovo question has been seeing Serbia argue against Kosovo amongst the Islamic countries. Serbia that has burned hundreds of mosques in Kosovo and Bosnia and has bloodied its hands with the lives of hundreds of thousands of Muslim civilians just in the last 15 years has the face to sit and argue its case against its former Muslim victims to the world’s Islamic countries.
But knowing Serbian politics, that is not the surprise here, the surprise are those on the receiving end of this disgrace.

When the Republic of Kosovo declared its independence, the last President of Yugoslavia, Stjepan Mesic, who once was also a close adviser to Josip Broz Tito, said, “It is wrong to think that Kosovo sets precedent, because unlike other regions in the world, Kosovo was a full constitutional authoritative body, with the right to veto, like other Yugoslav republics. Also, I hope it [Serbia] will realize that Kosovo’s declaration of independence to separate from it is because of the genocidal crimes that Serbia has taken against the Kosovo up to now. Serbia should apologize for what it has done in Kosovo. Both Serbia and Kosovo were equal bodies in the Yugoslav federation. Thus, Kosovo independence is right and legal.” Kosovo is the seventh independent republic to come out of Tito’s Yugoslavia. The Republic of Kosovo is a European country, located in the southeastern Europe. Its population of over two million is more than 90% of Muslim creed of various ethnicities.

During almost a century of occupation, Serbia established an apartheid, colonial regime in Kosovo to which many African and Middle Eastern countries members of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) can easily relate to. Serbia’s crimes in Kosovo neither begin nor end with Milosevic. Milosevic is only a piece of the iceberg, revealed only thanks to the wide spread of modern information media. Serbia’s crimes were carried out based on well planned memorandums and other blueprints penned around the beginning of 20th century by Serbian romantic nationalists, ideologue statesmen of Greater Serbia. With Serbia acting as a local colonialist power, Kosovo shared the same kind of experiences as the Muslim and African world did with European colonialist powers. Serbia masterfully used prejudices of the relevant era to justify the slaughter of Kosovars as just Muslims, by hoping that in this way the world will allow Serbia to continue to commit atrocities. Colonialist, hegemonic and segregationist policies of Serbia went unhampered for too long as the propaganda machine manipulated world public opinion.

Exploitation of Kosovo’s rich land has been Serbia’s long run dream. Murdering tens of thousands of Kosovars, sending hundreds of thousands of others into flight and then colonizing with Serb population the land left behind. As Kosovo’s rich underground was exploited to build and prosper Serbia, Kosovo remained occupied, poor, with its people continuously repressed, ethnically cleansed, enslaved in famine, isolated, struggling for freedom and the right to run their own country as independent and sovereign. A Serbian writer put it best, “Kosovars were our Negroes,” he reminisced recently.

Serbia destroyed Islamic legacy in Kosovo. Serbia applied forced conversions of Kosovars of Muslim creed to Serbian Christian Orthodoxy. Serbia completely destroyed 649 mosques in the last war, with some five centuries old; desecrated, burglarized or partially destroyed 234 other mosques. Serbia destroyed tens of madrasahs, burned libraries that contained invaluable Koranic scriptures and treatise. Serbia murdered hundreds of Muslim imams.

Serbia tried to portray Kosovo as a threat to the Western world, and itself as a valiant protector of Christendom from the Islamic threat. Thesis such as the “Green corridor” still today inspire publications as The Washington Times and prominent extreme right bloggers in the United States. The implication being that the West should not support the cause of the Muslim Kosovars against Christian Serbs no matter how Serbia acts.

Serbian and Russian obstructionist propaganda, aiming to mislead the world with statements such as Islam poses a threat and Kosovo sets a precedent, remained relentless. Russia has no interest in bringing peace and stability to the world. In its desperation to gain its lost name, Russia is attempting to obstruct the freedom of Kosovars, sadly enough in cooperation with some Islamic countries such as Indonesia, Azerbaijan, and Algeria. While savagely mistreating the Muslim minority in its own country today, Russia cannot be an ally to the Muslim world which it is using through an obstructionist strategy of divide and rule. Russia is not interested in resolving the problems in the Muslim world but rather in exploiting and using these regions for its own geopolitical means. Its desperate colonialist horizons are being expanded from Europe to Asia. Its neighbors, which were fooled and coerced into becoming allies and today are not, went through famine and genocide. And the very sober stories of Chechnya and Afghanistan should make it clear what kind of friend Russia is to Muslims.

Kosovo can be a connection between East and West. Kosovo represents something very unique in the world today. Of a Western military alliance coming to the aid of a Muslim-majority population and a reconstruction and stabilization effort supported by Norwegian NGO’s, United Arab Emirate military hospitals, French and Turkish soldiers and Pakistani policemen. Kosovo represents the proof of a better world, not divided by religion, but united over common humanitarian values. By recognizing Kosovo as other nations have already done, Muslim world and the rest will find an ally, a friend and a reliable business partner who can offer future friendships with the rest of Europe.

Kosovo’s independence along with its democratic constitution allows Islam and other religions to finally breath free. Freedom of speech, religion, and press for Kosovars of Muslim creed are the blessings they have sought for almost a century.

The Republic of Kosovo finally gained its sovereign statehood in coordination with its allies in Europe, Africa, Asia, North and South America, and Australia, closing the final chapter of Yugoslavia. Today, Kosovo has a democratic constitution, professional police, stable government, soon to establish a NATO trained army and is in the process of joining major world organizations.

It is time that Kosovo joins the Organization of the Islamic Conference as well. Through OIC Kosovo will setup good relations with a part of the world which it has neglected so far. OIC represents 57 countries and a diversity of people spread across four continents. Kosovo and OIC countries shares similar historic experiences, world’s second biggest religion – Islam, and the need to cooperate economically.

Personally,I think it sound’s more like Fusion than RBJ...

Btw, whatever happened to mark50inf? Haven’t seen him around for a while.

This may be a “little” off subject, but I met up with a friend that just got back from UN duty in Afghanistan. Among the things we talked about was that a few weeks before coming home to Sweden, his troop were given orders to be on the look out for a Bosnian person on the taliban side. According to my friend Bosnians were rather common and appreciated among the Taliban due to their having recent war experience.

“Have Kosovo become part of EU”

Lol!! Seriously, do you really believe EU nations want Kosovo to be a part of EU? You really need to wake up and smell the coffee...the only reason several EU countries have recognised Kosovo’s dependent independence is because finally they can stop taking in all the “refugees” from there. Get it? You give them their own “home” and that way you don’t need to let them into your home. You obviously do not live in Europe and definitely don’t understand the European way of thinking!

he really is out of his mind!!!

But as Bokababe said in post 90, the issue is Kosovo here and not Macedonia, so maybe we should stick to the issue of the thread!

“The first half of the 20th century. I’m sorry if you were ignorant of this fact.”

Gee, than I should be happy that my in laws are still alive and weren’t persecuted for speaking Macedonian during the first half of the 20th century! Or maybe they were just “ignorant” of the “law against speaking Macedonian” when they were young and should be grateful no one caught them speaking their language. /s

What century was that Diocletian? Some Serbs may have considered Macedonia a part of Serbia (just as Greece considers Macedonia a part of Greece and Bulgaria consider it a part Bulgaria) but my in-laws are Macedonian and they have never had any trouble from Serbs for speaking the Macedonian language. Outlawed? The only place where there has been “problems” for using the Macedonian language is in Greece. I’m sorry but I think you should stick to your info about Croatia and leave Macedonia out of this issue. As for Macedonians today, they have absolutely no problem with Serbs. Their concerns are the Albanians!

The Macedonians had issues with Serbia and the Serbs?? Wow, that’s news to me! What were those issues Diocletian, I would really appreciate some more information on this “issue”.

BTTT!

Well explained for the people who are “new” to the Balkans!

You tell me trumandogz...on one side you have:

a) The Chinese Embassy got bombed because of old maps provided by the CIA to the strategists that picked the places to bomb. Only problem was that until the Chinese Embassy got built at that location, the location was an empty lot. That is an empty lot with absoultely nothing that would be of interest for bombing (unless you think wasting a very expensive bomb on overgrown grass and weeds is a good move.)

on the other hand yoú have:

b) “rumours” that the Chinese were providing the Serb military with strategic information and in that way helping the Serbs move their artillery around among other things.

Now if you can get past your blind patriotism to see the bigger picture of things...which reason do you honestly believe was behind the Chinese Embassy bombing?

Personally I think you should be thanking GOD that the Chinese accepted the “official” reason of the bad maps. What I wonder is what America had to “pay” to get them to accept that reason.

“If they attack an American Embassy, then yes, they are terrorists.”

Gee, what does that make America? US did bomb the Chinese Embassy killing 3 Chinese staff members during the bombing of Serbia, or is that conveniently forgotten by you?

Oh, but right, that was a case of “old maps provided by the CIA”.