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Rewarding Separatists Will Haunt the West
Real Clear Politics ^ | February 23, 2008 | David Warren

Posted on 02/25/2008 12:29:23 PM PST by kingattax

Readers with exceptionally tenacious memories will recall that this pundit was opposed to the NATO intervention in Kosovo nine years ago. This may come as a surprise to readers without tenacious memories, since it is widely believed that I never saw a war I didn't like. Yet, believe it or not, I was opposed not only to the wanton bombing of Serbia, but also to the whole "inevitable" project of carving a new European Muslim state out of the flesh of that Orthodox Christian country.

I was not without sympathy for the "plight of the Kosovars," however. Like virtually all journalists at that time, not of Serbian ethnicity, I fell for a great deal of typically Balkan propagandist rubbish that has since been quietly withdrawn.

My rule of thumb, on wars, is to fight them with your enemies, when absolutely necessary; but never with your friends, and in particular, never in order to create new enemies. True, as we all know from personal experience, sometimes your friends are more irritating than your enemies, and the temptation to bomb them is always there. It is a temptation that must be resisted, however.

This temptation was surely in play with the Serbians, under the late Slobodan Milosevic, who seemed determined to inspire loathing and distrust, and suspicion that he was doing in Kosovo precisely what his nationalist allies had done in Bosnia: "ethnic cleansing," also known as the massacre of innocents. Although not nearly as monstrous as, say, Saddam Hussein, nor anything like Saddam's threat to the West, Milosevic missed as many opportunities to come clean with his diplomatic interrogators. The Serbs, who allowed this vicious old Communist, turned nationalist demagogue, to remain in power, showed very poor judgment.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clintonswar; kosovo; serb; serbia
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1 posted on 02/25/2008 12:29:25 PM PST by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Can someone say “Aztlan”?...........


2 posted on 02/25/2008 12:31:19 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: kingattax

What war?


3 posted on 02/25/2008 12:31:31 PM PST by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: kingattax
I was not without sympathy for the "plight of the Kosovars...

I was and am. F___ em, anybody in Serbia or Russia needs my permission to exterminate those savages, they got it.

4 posted on 02/25/2008 12:34:01 PM PST by jeddavis
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To: jeddavis

Democracy’s a bitch, eh?


5 posted on 02/25/2008 12:36:55 PM PST by Blue State Insurgent (Superdelegates = The Guardian Council)
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To: kingattax; Bokababe

It’s sad that the Russians are right on this issue and we aren’t. The Russians for God’s sakes. We are handing them the moral high ground on a silver platter to beat us over the head with.


6 posted on 02/25/2008 12:40:22 PM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: JamesP81

You are right...we are handing the moral high ground to Russia regarding Kosovo

Which will make it harder for us to deal w Iran....


7 posted on 02/25/2008 12:45:46 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (You know what they call a McCain supporter? A Liberal)
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To: JamesP81

to say that kosovo is europe’s safe house for islamoterrorists is the whole point why recognizing kosovo’s “independence” is extremely bad policy.


8 posted on 02/25/2008 12:46:35 PM PST by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: kingattax
"He, or his successor, will then try to resist the next stage of demands, for a Greater Albania in which Kosovo attempts to merge with Albania, and the Muslim majorities in adjoining districts of Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, and Greece begin insurrections to join them."

Hmmm, this could get interesting.

9 posted on 02/25/2008 12:53:54 PM PST by BBell
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To: Red Badger

Or Montana?


10 posted on 02/25/2008 12:59:31 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: Blue State Insurgent

Democracy, freedom, independence are great, provided you do it on your own property; problem is, Kosovo has belonged to Serbia since the early middle ages. What we are observing here is a case of land theft.


11 posted on 02/25/2008 1:01:13 PM PST by jeddavis
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To: ctdonath2

OK, so why should Quebec get to be a state?

How about Scotland?

Maybe Brittany?

Then there’s Hawaii, which with the Akaka bill is heading the same way. And Alaska, which also sometimes thinks of joining OPEC.

Any and all of these independence movements would have State Dept. support if they were muslim and had Saudi backing. . .


12 posted on 02/25/2008 1:02:08 PM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: JamesP81
Well, keep in mind who is in the White House. Someone who can’t even think and speak at the same time.

Same bs different packaging.

13 posted on 02/25/2008 1:03:01 PM PST by SQUID
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To: kingattax; wideawake
[sarcasm]

I demand the evil United States of America withdraw from the illegally-occupied Louisiana Territory, home of the indigenous French Cajun peoples who have lived there for zillions and jillions and billions and trillions of years, practicing a form of idyllic socialism which Karl Marx could only dream of.

And don't think just the measly little "State of Louisiana" will do. I demand that the entire original Louisiana Territory, to be known from henceforth as Restored Socialist Louisiana, be recognized and evacuated by foreign devil Anglo-American troops at once!

Globalism for you, nationalism for us!

[/sarcasm]

PS: I'm not Cajun. This is just a sarcastic analogy.

14 posted on 02/25/2008 1:06:01 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Elleh hadevarim 'asher-tzivvah HaShem la`asot 'otam.)
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To: Red Badger
I’m still predicting UN intervention on behalf of Mexican and South American separatists in US Southwest and the PRK in the not-too-distant future. Imagine Chinese, Russian, and Euroweenie fighter-bombers supporting Aztlan and MeCHa separatists against “racist vigilantes,” while telling the USA it better not retaliate and demanding that the Federal Gub’mint disarm American Citizens to protect the poor “immigrants.”
15 posted on 02/25/2008 1:09:18 PM PST by Little Ray (So its McCain or Huckabee? Pass me the bloody KoolAid.)
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To: kingattax
I'm not buying this. 90% of the Kosovars are ethnic Albanians, they should be able to have their own mini-state. This trend has been around since WWI. Finland and, after decades of struggle, the Baltics split from Russia. Poland split from Russia. Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania and Yugoslavia split from Austria. Ireland split from the UK. Slovakia split from the Czechs. Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Macedonia, and now Kosovo have split from Yugoslavia. It appears Scotland and maybe Wales will split from England. If they join the EU, these states can be economically successful.

The only real concern about Kosovo would arise if they revealed they really aren't separatists, but have as their goal a merger with Albania. I doubt that will happen, though.

16 posted on 02/25/2008 1:23:21 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Red Badger

That has been one of my problems with this from the start. Law of unintended consequences. How are we going to feel when the “world community” decides by fiat that our Southwest is an independent country. My other reservation is that I cannot see the long-term benefit of setting up a Muslim state in Central Europe, from which they can launch their jihad efforts in comfort and convenience.


17 posted on 02/25/2008 1:28:36 PM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: kingattax

I am not a fan of Russia, but they are right in this case. I am not a fan of the “Bearded Christians”, but they too are right on this one.


18 posted on 02/25/2008 1:30:17 PM PST by Clemenza (I live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Wrecks)
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To: 3AngelaD

The reason for our actions is that we’ve set up a huge military base in Kosovo and we’re not interested in giving it back. Kosovo is not a muslim base in Europe, it is an American base in Europe, for us to attack muslims in the middle east from.


19 posted on 02/25/2008 1:34:18 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: CondorFlight

The perpetuation of any jurisdiction is ultimately achieved by might. Secede, and expect to have to out-muscle your prior ruler. Whatever the reason to leave, that reason must outweigh the suffering required to achieve it.

Ms. Spears should, however, be given soveriegn independence on general principle of insufferability.


20 posted on 02/25/2008 1:40:35 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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