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Posts by exDemMom

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  • Repeated and Uncontrollable Failures (The unbearable sadness of climate activism)

    08/23/2014 5:15:10 AM PDT · 11 of 22
    exDemMom to all the best

    It’s a cycle. Liberalism feeds mental illness, which feeds liberalism. That is why the fight against it is so difficult.

  • Democrat: Grant Amnesty to Illegal Children or They'll Become Terrorists

    08/23/2014 4:53:56 AM PDT · 7 of 7
    exDemMom to Kaslin

    These illegal immigrant kids are very likely to end up in the dark shadowy underground of the slave trade. Those coyotes approach people who are desperate for any word of hope, and promise to deliver them (or their children) to a wonderful place where they will be able to work and have everything they need and want. Then the coyotes deliver them to those who misuse them, force them to work long hours, often at illegal activities, and beat and threaten them if they do not show complete submission.

    Our Democrat politicians should not be so supportive of the slave trade (aka human trafficking). These kids should be sent back home, and the message spread that they will likely end up working as slaves, rather than getting a better life in the promised land. Some parents might not care, but others will.

  • Is Ferguson about class or culture? (Get's down to the real problem behind it all)

    08/22/2014 6:17:37 AM PDT · 55 of 70
    exDemMom to anton

    Don’t confuse cultural effects with race. Just because a majority of people living in a specific culture are of a particular race, does not make the resulting behavior genetic.

    The *only* way you could claim that the behavior is a result of genetics (specific to that race) is if you could compare two different racial groups who have exactly the same culture and document differences in behavior that cannot be explained by any other cause.

    The Vikings used to be brutes who caused fear wherever they went, because of their little habit of stealing, raping, murdering, and burning everything they couldn’t take with them. Yet here I am, married to a descendent of Vikings...and I am not at all afraid, nor have I ever seen him engage in those Viking behaviors. And I have never met a Norwegian who did not act civilized.

    I can assure you that there are more violent whites in my mixed neighborhood than violent blacks (our next door neighbor has issues). And last I checked, the violent Islamists are still white.

    Genetics is not destiny, but culture is.

  • Is Ferguson about class or culture? (Get's down to the real problem behind it all)

    08/22/2014 4:37:05 AM PDT · 43 of 70
    exDemMom to anton

    You haven’t named a single genetic factor there. People raised in a violent culture become violent—there is nothing genetic about that.

    I know and work with many black people. I’ve yet to see a violent black person.

    Take the racism somewhere else, please.

  • Another Ebola Problem: Finding its Natural Source

    08/22/2014 4:28:35 AM PDT · 9 of 13
    exDemMom to null and void

    One of the difficulties in finding the original source of this virus is that people sometimes get sick because they ate a dead primate that they found in the forest, and there is no way to know how the primate got Ebola.

    Ever since Ebola was first discovered, in 1976, many attempts have been made to find the reservoir. So far, it has remained hidden, although (as the article points out) bats are suspected.

    The virus has clearly been circulating in West Africa for a while. The 3% genetic difference between it and the virus circulating in the Congo shows that it is not new there.

  • Germany Ebola scare as Nigerian woman showing symptoms (shortened)

    08/21/2014 6:57:05 AM PDT · 32 of 32
    exDemMom to bgill
    A symptom is a headache or fever. You could walk around for three weeks with nothing but a nagging headache before more severe symptoms are noticed.

    I would have to check and make sure, but I'm fairly certain that once Ebola becomes symptomatic, it is rapidly debilitating. An Ebola sufferer isn't going to be walking around with only a headache for weeks on end.

    I did read a case where a woman got Ebola from her husband, which was confirmed by blood test (she was seropositive, meaning she had antibodies for Ebola). The only symptom was that she miscarried. Except for the infected fetal remains, I doubt she was ever contagious. Ebola, as far as I can tell from the literature, is always deadly to babies.

  • Germany Ebola scare as Nigerian woman showing symptoms (shortened)

    08/21/2014 6:51:52 AM PDT · 31 of 32
    exDemMom to IYAS9YAS
    I see the CDC has updated its page. It does state that Ebola is not contagious until symptoms appear. Two weeks ago, there was no information on the CDC site stating that.

    I'm glad the CDC updated its info. I have hundreds of Ebola facts swirling around my head, but when someone asks for a reference, it takes a while to find it. CDC saved me a lot of trouble!

  • Germany Ebola scare as Nigerian woman showing symptoms (shortened)

    08/21/2014 6:48:46 AM PDT · 30 of 32
    exDemMom to ncpatriot
    For several wks now I have read on FR about cases being investigated for Ebola around world and here in US, yet no one has said these pts actually have Ebola.

    Do you think the media and/or gov’t would tell us if these cases are positive for Ebola? Surely they could not keep this secret. Therefore, no cases of Ebola.

    The chance of one of these cases being positive for Ebola is actually quite low. There are several diseases in Africa with similar symptoms--malaria, other hemorrhagic fevers--and which are far more common.

    No doubt, we would hear (to the point of being annoyed by the constant coverage) if some traveler returned with Ebola.

    To put things into perspective, Ebola has only killed about 1,200. Thousands of Africans, especially children, die of malaria and other diseases every single day.

    I'm not sure why this Ebola outbreak is so newsworthy. No other outbreak, and there have been several, has created this kind of attention.

  • Professor Death: Peter Singer Says Criminals Should Have Euthanasia Option to Avoid Prison

    08/20/2014 8:17:24 AM PDT · 55 of 80
    exDemMom to wagglebee

    I think I would agree with Singer on this one, but for completely different reasons than he no doubt uses to rationalize this.

    His rationalization stems from the fact that he does not respect any human life; therefore, if a criminal wants to die, he is perfectly okay with allowing the criminal to suicide.

    As far as I can tell, most people who are against the death penalty do not think that taking a human life is a very big deal, thus they do not advocate the ultimate punishment for the act.

    I think that taking a human life is a horrendous act, and I do not think that those who commit such acts have any claim to a right to life. If they want to kill themselves, fine, it takes the burden off of those who must carry out the death penalty and saves the cost of endless appeals. And if they are sentenced to life in prison, not the death penalty, and want to suicide—well, that is just a technicality.

  • Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown Attack

    08/20/2014 4:32:23 AM PDT · 728 of 806
    exDemMom to Westbrook
    No, it was the recoil from the gun that whacked him in the left eye. Oh wait, he’s right-handed. Never mind.
    /s (just in case)

    But maybe he is left-eyed, so holds the gun in front of the left eye so the recoil *can* hit him there.

    (I do hold the gun a bit off-center, for that reason.)

    Seriously, when I first heard about this case, I withheld judgment, figuring that the whole story was NOT out yet. There is an interest on the part of those who put out such stories to cause civil unrest. I wonder if those purveyors of discord ever really think about what the long term goal of such tactics is (hint, it cannot result in a utopian society).

  • Germany Ebola scare as Nigerian woman showing symptoms (shortened)

    08/20/2014 4:21:11 AM PDT · 15 of 32
    exDemMom to MichaelCorleone
    Incubation period is from one to three weeks from what I understand. This woman showed serious symptoms today.

    Ebola is only contagious once symptoms appear. Also, Ebola is not spread through aerosols, but by direct contact with infected fluids, including droplets. So, if this woman vomited or had diarrhea and droplets got onto people, there could be a problem. Otherwise, not.

    Personally, I think it is silly to announce every potential case being tested for Ebola. There are many other diseases in Africa, including other hemorrhagic fevers. If a case pops positive, *then* I want to see the results.

  • BREAKING NEWS: Patient at Sacramento hospital may have Ebola

    08/20/2014 4:10:46 AM PDT · 76 of 122
    exDemMom to scouter

    At the Dulles airport, the TSA TV screens warned us about chikungunya, dengue, and Ebola. The risks depend on travel destination.

    I am not certain why every hospital that tests a suspect case feels the need to make an announcement about it. Even in travelers to the affected area, the chance that a fever will be Ebola rather than malaria or one of the other hemorrhagic fevers is pretty low.

  • 'Filthy', Illegal Immigrant Camp In Calais To Be Closed

    08/19/2014 5:58:57 AM PDT · 5 of 5
    exDemMom to markomalley

    Western countries create the conditions that make human trafficking possible. Those minimum wage laws and mandatory benefits packages make hiring legally cost-prohibitive, but illegal immigrant slaves are dirt cheap.

  • A Witness Conversation Unknowingly Captured at the Scene of the Ferguson Shooting is a Game-Changer

    08/19/2014 5:54:50 AM PDT · 146 of 146
    exDemMom to ZULU

    I wonder what the toxicology screen will reveal. Some drugs can make people highly aggressive and superhumanly strong.

  • Ebola crisis: Protesters attack Liberia quarantine centre

    08/19/2014 5:46:19 AM PDT · 16 of 17
    exDemMom to Pearls Before Swine

    Many of those people do not believe that Ebola is real. It looks a lot like malaria, and they know that malaria is not contagious. In addition, they see their sick relative go into the hospital, and a wrapped corpse comes out that they are not allowed to approach or touch, in complete violation of their customs. So they think the doctors are killing their relatives and doing all kinds of horrid things to the bodies, like stealing their organs (among other stories).

    Remember, many of these people are illiterate. They interpret the situation in a manner consistent with their education and culture.

    I hate to say it, but the same kind of muddled thinking is not limited to Africa. I often see the same displayed here on FR—people who are convinced that illicit drugs are perfectly harmless, or who avoid vaccines, or who consume vitamins by the handful, to name a few examples.They may be more educated, but their thinking is just as muddled.

  • WHO: Air travel is low-risk for Ebola transmission

    08/19/2014 5:35:01 AM PDT · 27 of 29
    exDemMom to sten

    #3 would be closer to the situation in an airplane. Ebola is not spread through aerosols, but through direct contacts with infected bodily fluids. These fluids can be disseminated through droplets, which have a limited range.

    The other danger on a plane is contamination of the lavatory by fluids of an Ebola victim who splashes vomit or diarrhea. The next passengers or cleaning crew could be exposed through contact with the droplets.

    A person who has been exposed to Ebola but is not yet symptomatic is not contagious.

  • Ebola puts focus on drugs made in tobacco plants

    08/16/2014 5:24:28 AM PDT · 12 of 18
    exDemMom to Covenantor
    "Plant-based drugs have attracted the attention and funding of the federal government, however, as a fast and cheap approach to make a lot of vaccine material..."

    That was a statement made by a pharmaceutical biotech consultant whose scientific background and expertise is unknown. You have to be careful with statements made by someone working within the industry; often, they overstate the advantages of their technology (usually to attract investors).

    Animal cells and microorganisms have an advantage in that they can be scaled up and down fairly quickly, and grown in huge tanks. Plants grow very slowly in comparison to cells or even small animals.

    I have experience in making proteins in a number of systems, on a small scale for research.

  • The case for free tampons

    08/16/2014 5:03:23 AM PDT · 33 of 61
    exDemMom to fieldmarshaldj
    After all, for women, you’re having to insert a foreign object inside of your body.

    Tampons are sterile. However, they can create conditions favorable to the growth of bacteria. I was unable to use them for that reason.

  • The case for free tampons

    08/16/2014 4:58:59 AM PDT · 31 of 61
    exDemMom to jocon307
    The cognitive dissonance of the 21st Century feminists is mind boggling.

    Indeed, I had not even thought of that angle. From early activists who advocated for the rights of women to be treated as equals and to act as autonomous persons capable of taking care of themselves and making their own decisions, we have gone to this idea of women as being so incapable that they have no clue how to run down to the store to buy their own hygiene products.

    Disclaimer: on many occasions, I sent husband or son to buy those products. This was not, however, because I was too incompetent to take care of myself.

  • The case for free tampons

    08/16/2014 4:51:17 AM PDT · 30 of 61
    exDemMom to 2ndDivisionVet
    All because too many governments don’t recognize feminine hygiene as a health issue....

    Um... isn't this the job of the parents? Shouldn't they teach the girl what to expect ahead of time?

    People like this expect the government to become their parent and do all of their thinking and planning for them. What does it take to get them to realize that the government is a horrible parent? A parent, at least, loves you. However, to a sea of government bureaucrats, you are nothing more than a statistical data point, aggregated with countless other statistical data points.

  • Ebola puts focus on drugs made in tobacco plants

    08/16/2014 4:46:43 AM PDT · 6 of 18
    exDemMom to Covenantor

    In short, the process of making drugs in tobacco plants is time-consuming. That is the problem with using biological systems to make any drug.

    It is interesting to see the details of how this is done.

  • Ebola puts focus on drugs made in tobacco plants

    08/16/2014 4:44:06 AM PDT · 5 of 18
    exDemMom to grania
    It would be interesting if studies are done to see if smokers are less likely to get Ebola or any other epidemic diseases.

    I believe that studies already address this issue.

    The engineered proteins produced by the tobacco plant are purified, so that no part of the plant is present in the final drug. People won't be exposed to tar and nicotene through genetically engineered protein drugs.

  • Ebola Surveillance Thread

    08/15/2014 8:45:03 PM PDT · 454 of 994
    exDemMom to Black Agnes
    The issue with ebola would seem to be fomites.

    If someone sweats on a surface and then you later touch that surface and then your face, you’re probably a goner.

    We know so little about the virus, especially its survival outside of the body. I wonder if good old Lysol would kill the virus, since it is sold as a general disinfectant. Bleach kills it; as long as surfaces are disinfected frequently with bleach, there won't be any virus to be exposed to.

    This is such a terrible virus. It is hard to even study it, since it requires such strict precautions.

    The reason HIV doesn't transmit well in fomites is because the viral burden in the body is so low. It transmits in a similar manner as Ebola, but its infectivity is so much lower that fomite transmission just doesn't seem to happen.

  • IRS Tech Said Lerner's Hard Drive WASN'T Damaged

    08/15/2014 5:17:56 PM PDT · 21 of 59
    exDemMom to mandaladon

    Oddly, on my government computer, I was able to have our IT guys retrieve an email a week after I deleted it.

    I’m pretty sure government emails are archived somewhere.

  • Ebola Surveillance Thread

    08/15/2014 5:12:08 PM PDT · 419 of 994
    exDemMom to independentmind

    It’s true. Ebola is not contagious before symptoms appear, and does not spread through aerosols. You need direct contact with infected body fluids to get it.

    Those body fluids, however, are extremely infectious. Hence, the space suits. It only takes a tiny splash.

  • Ebola is ‘vastly’ worse than anyone first thought...

    08/15/2014 5:03:41 PM PDT · 24 of 25
    exDemMom to ExNewsExSpook
    The U.S. government plans to buy up the entire output of the San Diego company and reserve the medication for senior government officials and selected family members.

    That is rather unlikely.

    For one thing, we do not know if that drug was responsible for Dr. Brantly's recovery. There is no way to know.

    For another, the manufacturing process on that drug takes a long time. The company also does not have the capacity to make more than a few experimental doses. So it is not going to be available at any price.

  • The Suburbs Made Us Fat

    08/15/2014 3:37:07 AM PDT · 70 of 72
    exDemMom to RipSawyer
    I don’t get it, I have seen San Diego, San Francisco, Chicago, New York, Atlanta, Naples, Barcelona, Genoa etc. and I can understand the attraction for some young people who want excitement and all that but why anyone over thirty or so would prefer to live in a big city rather than in the suburbs or better yet out in the country is beyond me.

    Since it seems that most cities are concentrated pools of liberalism, and the desire to make more people liberal probably underlies all of the pipe-dreams about forcing people to live in cities, I speculate whether the absence of meaningful interaction with the natural world is a factor in people remaining liberal. Many liberals call themselves "environmentalists" (although their "environmentalism" is based more on mysticism than science), but their living environment isolates them from nature or living things.

    There is nothing natural about those huge cities where miles of pavement are broken by the occasional tree planted in a hole in the sidewalk, and a few parks provide a semblance of nature. People need to be surrounded by natural living things and to observe the cycle of nature--otherwise, their thoughts can become unrooted and meander off in the weird directions that we call liberalism.

  • The Suburbs Made Us Fat

    08/14/2014 4:13:34 AM PDT · 9 of 72
    exDemMom to CW_Conservative

    Why is it that liberals imagine some sort of utopia would result if we were all crammed into cities? I’ve seen many articles extolling some benefit of city living. Of course, they would love to cram us all into cities, like sardines.

    In the suburbs, you don’t have to be subjected to pollution and filth any time you step out of your cramped apartment, and you don’t have to worry as much about crime. Plus, you have the chance to actually get to know your neighbors.

  • China Appears Ready to Dump Its U.S. Treasury Bonds

    08/13/2014 3:03:19 AM PDT · 3 of 45
    exDemMom to Sir Napsalot

    Does this mean that all of the money printed under Obama is about to be dumped back into the economy? Or what?

    The economics articles often make no sense at all to me.

  • Ebola: Expert gives Congress apocalypse warnings

    08/12/2014 8:16:39 PM PDT · 40 of 43
    exDemMom to Sacajaweau

    The virus will eventually clear, but it may remain in some fluids (seminal fluid, breast milk) for several weeks after symptoms subside. As another poster mentioned, live virus has been found in semen 82 days after illness onset. In breast milk, live virus was found after about 40 days.

    As far as I know, no one becomes a carrier.

  • Ebola: Expert gives Congress apocalypse warnings

    08/12/2014 8:16:39 PM PDT · 39 of 43
    exDemMom to Sacajaweau

    The virus will eventually clear, but it may remain in some fluids (seminal fluid, breast milk) for several weeks after symptoms subside. As another poster mentioned, live virus has been found in semen 82 days after illness onset. In breast milk, live virus was found after about 40 days.

    As far as I know, no one becomes a carrier.

  • Looking for thoughts on the Ebola virus 'cure'

    08/12/2014 7:53:41 PM PDT · 62 of 63
    exDemMom to taxcontrol

    You missed Ebola Bundibugyo, which has caused two outbreaks in Uganda. It has a slightly lower CFR than other Ebola strains.

    Also, the Cote d’Ivoire was renamed to Tai Forest.

    The newest filovirus was found in Spain and is called Lloviu (Lloviu cuevavirus). It has only been known to cause bat disease and death.

  • Waukesha (WI) girl dies hours after getting HPV vaccine

    08/12/2014 4:09:35 AM PDT · 129 of 130
    exDemMom to Tired of Taxes
    The fact is that, when vaccinations are administered, usually the doctor or nurse hands you a piece of paper that lists all of the possible risks. That information comes straight from the CDC. Often, one of the possible risks is fatality.

    Don't place so much significance on that patient information sheet. If you compare those pieces of paper between different vaccines, there is a list of risks that are always the same--they are a stock list of risks that the FDA requires to be distributed with all vaccines. The risks that are specific to the vaccine are those that state the exact incidence of the side-effect, for example, that swelling and localized inflammation or headache are seen in more than 10% of patients.

    It doesn’t matter if the risk of fatality is one in a million; statistics are no consolation if your child happens to be that one in a million.

    The annual risk of dying of cervical cancer is about 1 in 80,000. That is a rough estimate based on the total population of the US, uncorrected for gender or age. The death rate of teenagers age 12-19 between 1999 and 2006 was about 1 in 2,000; the death rate increases with age. The death rate of participants in this HPV vaccine study was about 1 in 1,200 regardless of whether they were in the vaccine or the control group (the death rate was actually slightly, but insignificantly, higher in the control group). I wouldn't worry about some hypothetical 1 in a million chance of dying from a vaccine; I'd worry about all those other things killing kids.

    The bottom line is that we each have the right to determine whether or not immunization shots (how many, which ones, etc.) are OK for us and our families.

    The bottom line is that an honest risk/benefit analysis supports the decision to vaccinate. Infectious disease is and always has been a major killer.

  • Waukesha (WI) girl dies hours after getting HPV vaccine

    08/12/2014 3:43:43 AM PDT · 128 of 130
    exDemMom to metmom
    The problem with the promises made by the vaccine manufacturer is the false sense of security that it will give women.

    They’re going to be thinking that if they have the vaccine, they don’t need to worry when being promiscuous and that they won’t need to bother with pap smears.

    The recommendation for PAP testing has not changed because of the vaccine, but because of review of efficacy data.

    What makes you think that a girl who is vaccinated is more likely to become promiscuous? Promiscuity existed long before any vaccine, and I seriously doubt that any woman is thinking, "Wow, I am now 70% protected against cervical cancer--time to sleep around with every guy I encounter!"

    Also, at the time I was treated for pre-invasive cancer at the age of 29, I had been married for 9 years and had two children. So I *really* appreciate the assumption that I got the disease (and presumably deserved the pain) by being promiscuous. I sure wish there had been a vaccine when I was a pre-teen!

    Pap tests can detect cervical cancer when it’s easily treatable.

    Pap tests have about a 10-20% false negative rate. About 1% of the time, false negatives can occur in three consecutive tests, allowing time for the cancer to become invasive. Women who have regular PAP tests can and do die of cervical cancer.

    There is also about a 15% recurrence rate of cervical disease after treatment. As a gynecologist who specializes in treating cervical disease told me, it's like trying to weed your yard. Sometimes, you get the entire weed. Sometimes, the weed comes back and starts taking over the yard. Some of her patients had recurrence of disease even after total hysterectomy.

    You have a choice. You can protect your daughter against the most virulent strains of HPV virus with a safe and effective vaccine, or you can hope that if she develops disease, she is not in that 10-20% false negative group or in that 15% treatment failure group. (I was lucky, the condition never recurred and I am now low risk for the disease.)

    Almost 4,000 women die of cervical cancer every year.

    HPV causes other cancers, too, in both men and women. In fact, HPV caused oropharyngeal cancer incidence is on track to overtake cervical cancer by 2020. The vaccine will protect against that, too.

  • How did People Tell Time in Jesus’ Time?

    08/12/2014 3:14:03 AM PDT · 6 of 40
    exDemMom to Tax-chick

    We were introduced to the similar concept of “Fiji-time” a couple of years ago. The Fijians take their time at everything because, as they say, they are the first to see the sun rise (because of Fiji’s position near the international date line), and so they have to wait around for the rest of the world to catch up.

    Despite this attitude, when we scheduled private visits to villages, the villagers picked us up promptly at 8 am.

  • How did People Tell Time in Jesus’ Time?

    08/12/2014 3:10:18 AM PDT · 5 of 40
    exDemMom to dsrtsage

    Haha, that was exactly my thought when I saw the article title.

  • Pioneering new injection to cure heart failure without need for major surgery

    08/12/2014 2:47:24 AM PDT · 9 of 13
    exDemMom to Innovative

    It is way too early to get excited about this, since it has not even started human trials yet.

    The technique is based on a modified virus. I do not know how the virus was modified, but if it is immunogenic and acts like a vaccine, this therapy would be good for one round of treatments, and that’s it. After that, the patient would be immune to the treatment, and any future heart disease would have to be treated by current means.

  • Butterscotch the cat no longer has head stuck in bird feeder

    08/12/2014 2:00:37 AM PDT · 5 of 14
    exDemMom to Innovative

    I’m glad the little guy is okay. He probably had quite an appetite after that thing broke off!

  • Obama Oks Use Of Experimental Ebola Drug On 2 Liberian Doctors

    08/11/2014 8:35:41 PM PDT · 14 of 26
    exDemMom to BlatherNaut

    Um... how is it Obama’s place to okay the use of any drug by anyone? Isn’t that a medical matter?

  • Obama Oks Use Of Experimental Ebola Drug On 2 Liberian Doctors

    08/11/2014 8:35:41 PM PDT · 13 of 26
    exDemMom to BlatherNaut

    Um... how is it Obama’s place to okay the use of any drug by anyone? Isn’t that a medical matter?

  • Robin Williams, Tony Stewart, Ferguson, Iraq, Ebola, Gaza

    08/11/2014 8:30:51 PM PDT · 44 of 66
    exDemMom to ealgeone

    What is going on in Ferguson, MS, and who is Tony Stewart?

    I never watch the news.

  • The Age of the Universe The '6' Days of Creation

    08/11/2014 8:29:05 PM PDT · 20 of 60
    exDemMom to TexasGator

    Excuse me, where did the 600 come from?

  • Waukesha (WI) girl dies hours after getting HPV vaccine

    08/11/2014 8:26:34 PM PDT · 123 of 130
    exDemMom to Tired of Taxes
    You're entirely wrong. People who wait for marriage are the type who have self-confidence, self-respect, and respect for others. They know they are attractive and a "good catch," and they have common sense. Or, they may be committed to living a life in accordance with their faith. That's why they do not feel the need to sleep with each other outside marriage.

    Bring that up with whoever designed and conducted the study. I only reported their results.

  • Waukesha (WI) girl dies hours after getting HPV vaccine

    08/11/2014 8:11:54 PM PDT · 121 of 130
    exDemMom to workerbee
    It occurs to me that what you keep doing on this thread is tossing out the "sex card" - much like liberals use the race card. That is, when libs can't stand someone disagreeing with them, they'll say "you're a racist" in order to shut them down and dismiss anything further they have to say. You call people mysogynists and terrorists and "anti-vaccinators", accuse them of disregard for their child's health, claim they want to punish their daugthers for sex, fear-monger with all the "consequences" of forgoing this vaccine (without, incidentally, addressing a single one of the very real controversies about it) and on and on. ALL without a single shred of evidence. You actually think that Merck or a pediatrician or YOU have more concern from my daughters' health than I do?! Take a hike.

    I am more concerned with health outcomes than I am about how a person gets a disease. Since the majority of people posting here against the vaccine rationalize refusing to vaccinate their daughters on the basis that any woman who gets HPV related cancerous conditions deserves it--well, it's hard to interpret that as something other than misogyny.

    The fact is that Merck, your pediatrician, and I all know and understand far more about this vaccine than you do. And the information about it that you find at the CDC is way more accurate than anything you'll find on an anti-vax site.

    Given the history of this vaccine, if you, with true intellectual honesty, cannot understand WHY parents have concerns and questions, I don't know what else to say to you. You either profit from forceful marketing of this drug or you are "less ex Dem" than your name implies and you like the control aspect.

    I try to dispel myths. I provide accurate information that parents can use to make an *informed* decision. The fact is that 75% of all people get some sort of HPV infection. The fact is that those HPV viruses sometimes insert their DNA into a chromosome, so that the virus becomes a permanent part of the infected tissues. The fact is that, depending on where the virus inserts itself in the host DNA, it can start an oncogenic process that leads to dysplasia and sometimes to cancer. The fact is that this vaccine was tested for years before its inventors collected sufficient data demonstrating its safety and efficacy to satisfy the FDA requirements, and they are still collecting data because the FDA requires it. The fact is that the moment this vaccine was approved, anti-vaxxers jumped all over it and started a disinformation campaign that continues to this day.

    BTW, the stock accusation of all anti-vaxxers that anyone presenting accurate scientific information must be profiting from doing so is beyond stupid. If I were concerned about profit, I'd do everything I could to discourage vaccine use. There is a lot more profit in people getting sick and needing hospitalization, drugs, IV fluids, nursing care, etc., than there is in them staying well. According to the insurance company Aetna, it costs over $1,700 to stay one night in the hospital--you'd have to give 14 HPV vaccine series to get that much profit.

  • Waukesha (WI) girl dies hours after getting HPV vaccine

    08/11/2014 7:34:10 PM PDT · 119 of 130
    exDemMom to longfellowsmuse
    My husband and I were both virgins when we married in our mid twenties, we were not socially awkward or homosexual. To suggest such a thing to people who live according to their values is truly insulting.

    Bring that up to the people who did the research, not me. I only reported the study results.

    I'm so glad for you that you are so pure that you have never had to suffer the indignity of a PAP test to detect HPV caused disease. Let me tell you, those things are so horribly degrading, being touched like that by someone you barely know and all. And then, having the test come up positive and end up having to have very painful confirmatory tests and then surgery to remove the cancer before it starts to spread...and then extra frequent PAP tests for the next three years... Nevermind, I'm sure you think that I clearly deserved the entire traumatic experience, since obviously no moral woman would ever get that kind of disease.

    FYI, most women diagnosed with HPV related cancer or pre-cancerous conditions are in their 40s, married, with children. And since about 75% of all people acquire HPV sometime in their lives--don't be so sure you've never been exposed or never will be exposed.

  • Ebola Virus in West Africa Is New Strain, Scientists Say

    08/11/2014 6:28:12 PM PDT · 58 of 79
    exDemMom to mojito

    My, what a lot of conspiracy theories among the responses in this thread.

    The 3% difference between this clade of Ebola Zaire and the clade that appeared in the Congo is absolutely consistent with this virus being already established and circulating in an animal reservoir. So it’s been there a while, and this outbreak is the result of the first time a human has had contact with an infected reservoir animal.

  • Ebola Virus in West Africa Is New Strain, Scientists Say

    08/11/2014 6:20:01 PM PDT · 57 of 79
    exDemMom to no-to-illegals

    RNA viruses, of which Ebola is one, tend to mutate rapidly. It is possible for two people to have slightly different variants of the virus even when infected from the same source.

  • Waukesha (WI) girl dies hours after getting HPV vaccine

    08/11/2014 4:42:21 AM PDT · 108 of 130
    exDemMom to LurkingSince'98
    Quick response:

    1) All of the patients had abnormally low serum levels of vitamin C. Supplementing patients with nutrients that are pathologically low is not the same as loading them with abnormally high levels of those nutrients. There is a lot of precedent for replacing lost nutrients--usually, it consists of hydration with electrolyte replacement. Sometimes, this is coupled with symptomatic treatment.

    2) As a reviewer of this study, I would express concern that the vitamin C replacement study pushed the serum concentration of ascorbate more than ten-fold higher than normal serum concentrations. 3) There is no reason to think that vitamin C has pharmaceutical activity beyond its role as an enzyme co-factor and its electron donor activity. If it does, in fact, have actual pharmaceutical activity, then mega-dosing on it is even more problematic than I have already discussed.

    Keep in mind that the purpose of pharmaceutical agents is to disrupt metabolic pathways and processes. While there may be a valid reason to disrupt these activities when they enter a pathological state, there is absolutely no reason to interfere with them when they are functioning normally.

    I seriously do not understand the desire to load up one's body with foreign chemicals (even when trace amounts of the chemicals are necessary for normal function). You delude yourself by thinking that since the chemical is "natural", it somehow cannot have adverse effects. Your body is meant to function within specific parameters, and your best bet to keep it functioning optimally is to eat a good balanced diet. Unless there is a specific medical reason to do otherwise, don't load your body up with abnormal levels of micronutrients, and don't abuse it with drugs.

  • Waukesha (WI) girl dies hours after getting HPV vaccine

    08/11/2014 4:20:31 AM PDT · 107 of 130
    exDemMom to trisham
    No, it isn't. The fact is that not everyone believes that this vaccine has no ill effects. That doesn't make them misogynistic.

    The side effects of the vaccine are well known--injection site pain and swelling, and sometimes headaches, all self-limiting. Beyond that, all I see is the usual anti-vax fear-mongering, much of which consists of drastically overstating the significance of the stock vaccine side-effects list. These side effects are trivial when compared to the effects of dysplasia or cancer.

    The fact is, contrary to anti-vax fear-monger claims, that vaccines undergo at least a decade of rigorous testing in thousands of subjects before the FDA will even consider approving them for market. And even after approval, the FDA requires companies to continue to collect safety and efficacy data (i.e. phase 4 trials). The FDA has no compunctions about pulling products over safety concerns even after they have been marketed (ever hear of Vioxx?).

    The misogyny enters the picture because apparently, some people are obsessed with the fact that girls might one day lose their virginity--but they state no similar concern over boys--they don't even mention boys. Often, what remains unsaid is at least as important as what is said.

  • Waukesha (WI) girl dies hours after getting HPV vaccine

    08/11/2014 4:03:58 AM PDT · 106 of 130
    exDemMom to GeronL
    I am against assuming and being okay with the idea that 12 year old kids will and should be having sex.

    Once again, let me reiterate, the HPV vaccine is most effective when administered to virgins. The assumption made by those who devised the vaccine schedule is that 12 year olds are virgins. If they are not virgins at that age, then the vaccine needs to be administered earlier, while they still *are* virgins.