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  • Thomas Eric Duncan (Ebola) should be tried and executed for premeditated murder

    10/01/2014 8:17:11 PM PDT · 22 of 54
    exDemMom to MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

    So—a guy who gets sick, does the right thing and goes to the hospital and informs them of his travel history (even though the hospital did not respond appropriately) is now a would-be murderer who should be executed?

    I do not know of a time in our country when people were ever executed for contracting an illness. I should hope never to see such a time.

  • Ebola Surveillance Thread

    10/01/2014 8:14:02 PM PDT · 2,745 of 2,758
    exDemMom to Delta Dawn
    See, that is the part I am having trouble with...If you become infected with Obola, the virus was potent enough to infect, if you cut yourself and your blood gets on someone else, what keeps the Obola virus in you from infecting someone else? Does it have to gain strength in you before it can then be transmitted to someone else?

    Viremia in the blood shows up maybe a couple of days before symptoms. Obviously, if someone were to be exposed to blood with detectable viremia, they would risk getting Ebola. However, exposure to blood is quite rare outside of the medical setting. Even non-contagious diseases transmitted by insects become contagious through blood transfusions.

  • Reporting on Ebola: First rule is you don’t touch anyone

    10/01/2014 8:09:29 PM PDT · 23 of 28
    exDemMom to wrench

    People get infected from bats and other animals by butchering them, and I have no doubt that they would get infected by dogs in the same manner.

    That does not address whether an asymptomatic dog can pass the virus.

    I do not know that Ebola can infect most mammals. Only a handful of mammals have been identified as getting Ebola: primates, shrews, something called a duiker, bats, and dogs.

  • Thomas Eric Duncan (Ebola) should be tried and executed for premeditated murder

    10/01/2014 8:03:34 PM PDT · 11 of 54
    exDemMom to MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

    Really, executing people for becoming sick? Isn’t that harsh and uncalled-for?

  • Reporting on Ebola: First rule is you don’t touch anyone

    10/01/2014 7:14:04 PM PDT · 15 of 28
    exDemMom to wrench
    Yes, it infects dogs. But it doesn’t make them sick, they become carriers that can infect other people

    I am not certain how a dog could be infectious if it doesn't have symptoms. I'll have to read the scientific literature on the subject and see if that has been addressed.

  • Reporting on Ebola: First rule is you don’t touch anyone

    10/01/2014 7:12:37 PM PDT · 14 of 28
    exDemMom to dynachrome
    Once the virus is on your fingers, it would be frighteningly easy to rub an eye and infect yourself.

    Naw, you don't have to rub your eye; the virus can enter through a tiny cut in the skin. I don't know about you, but I have many tiny cuts, caused by my cats.

  • Ebola Surveillance Thread

    10/01/2014 7:09:22 PM PDT · 2,739 of 2,758
    exDemMom to Delta Dawn
    So, simply spitting or blowing one’s nose will not expel the virus from the infected person before the onset of symptoms?

    I doubt it. All of the research indicates that Ebola is not contagious before symptoms appear. At that point, it becomes contagious through infected body fluids, becoming more contagious as the disease progresses.

  • 30 Ebola facts that will make you cringe, plus 7 ways to manage the risk

    10/01/2014 7:05:46 PM PDT · 28 of 31
    exDemMom to RetiredTexasVet
    Yep. And early on these same “experts” stated without exception that the disease would be contained and burn out quickly because “it was so hard to transmit”. So now it is not so hard to transmit in Africa but “it will be extremely hard to transmit here in the United States because of our higher societal health standards”. But wait, a couple of those Western doctors who caught Ebola had no direct contact with Ebola patients but contracted Ebola anyway.

    You can believe what you want, but I have no faith in anything they say if their employment is with the Government or directly funded by it.

    The experts at the CDC and elsewhere work closely with the people who actually work in the labs researching Ebola--the people who have discovered everything we know about Ebola.

    But I guess we really know nothing about Ebola, because every bit of the research on the virus has been conducted by government employees. Or, if they are at a university right now, they are former government employees funded with government grants.

    The reason this outbreak keeps going is because of the area where it erupted, and a lot of unfortunate events--a perfect storm--that conspired to cause this to spread before anyone even knew what was going on. It has been contained in Nigeria, and the one case in Senegal did not infect anyone else.

    In the Democratic Republic of Congo, another Ebola outbreak erupted recently, and we hear almost nothing about it. That's because they have a history of outbreaks, and they know how to contain them quickly. Like the majority of outbreaks, it will be over in a few weeks.

    You, of course, do not have to believe anything that a government employed or paid researcher publishes. That goes for anything your doctor tells you, too, since (s)he's most likely working on the basis of information generated with some sort of government involvement.

  • Ebola Surveillance Thread

    10/01/2014 6:13:26 PM PDT · 2,724 of 2,758
    exDemMom to Dark Wing
    1. Pushing his symptom onset date back from the 26th to the 24th makes it slightly more plausible that the man was experiencing at least some initial symptoms upon his arrival on the 20th. That would mean that his fellow travelers were more at risk than has been presented.

    From all of the descriptions, Ebola symptoms hit suddenly, and hard. If he did not report having symptoms on the 20th, he truly did not have symptoms.

    The symptoms that cause it to be contagious are the expulsion of diseased bodily fluids.

  • Ebola Surveillance Thread

    10/01/2014 6:08:59 PM PDT · 2,722 of 2,758
    exDemMom to silverleaf
    why wouldn’t the CDC have alerted and educated EVERY health professional in the USA to quarantine ANYONE seeking treatment who just arrived from Liberia and is showing symptoms of “flu”?????????

    Um, the CDC has been issuing guidelines about this for a while now. So has the TSA--if you are waiting to be screened before a flight, you get to watch TV screens telling you about the dangers of Ebola, dengue, and chikungunya if you travel to the affected countries. It is not the fault of the CDC that communication broke down in the hospital and the patient was not isolated immediately.

  • 30 Ebola facts that will make you cringe, plus 7 ways to manage the risk

    10/01/2014 6:01:24 PM PDT · 17 of 31
    exDemMom to RetiredTexasVet
    Regardless of what the “CDC experts”, MSM rent-a-doc, or other government sources say, the virus has mutated into several different strains and one of those is airborne.

    You know that the CDC experts work closely with the scientists who do the Ebola research, the scientists who discovered everything we know about it, don't you?

    Virus mutation happens all the time and really does not mean much. The five strains of Ebola have existed for a long time. No strain of Ebola is airborne, and none of them are ever likely to become airborne.

  • 30 Ebola facts that will make you cringe, plus 7 ways to manage the risk

    10/01/2014 5:57:27 PM PDT · 15 of 31
    exDemMom to Williams
    Once it gets into other mammals here we will always have outbreaks.

    For all we know, an Ebola cousin is endemic in our wildlife right now, and we have never discovered it because we do not eat bats and usually do not go near their caves.

    A few years ago, a filovirus related to Ebola was found in bats in Spain. Ebola Reston has been found in the Phillipines (although the monkeys may have gotten sick from bats).

  • Ebola Confirmed in America: Here’s What You Need To Do Right Now

    10/01/2014 3:19:19 AM PDT · 56 of 103
    exDemMom to Kartographer

    Oh, this is terrible! It will be just like 2008 when that woman showed up in Colorado with Marburg and the entire state of Colorado died a horrible bloody death! It’s a good thing we were able to use the National Guard to keep anyone from escaping from Colorado and spreading that disease to the other states. /s

    Link to MMWR article discussing the Marburg case:

    For those that don’t know, Marburg is cousin to Ebola, and causes an almost identical disease, with a comparable death rate. When the Marburg case showed up, no one even knew it was Marburg until 6 months after the patient was discharged. She asked to be retested after hearing of a fatal Marburg case in a Dutch person who had visited the same cave she had visited, and was then diagnosed. Yet, despite that lack of diagnosis at the time of illness, not a single person caught Marburg from that woman. That is because our health system has protocols in place to contain infectious diseases, even those weird imported exotic diseases.

    This Ebola patient was staying with relatives, and was symptomatic for 4 days before being admitted to the hospital. The only people who are in some danger of catching Ebola are those relatives, and they are being watched now.

    Those little pandemic kits won’t work for Ebola—it’s spread by direct contact, not aerosol—but they will help avoid the flu. May I remind everyone that flu is a killer—an average of 16,000 people die from it every year—and flu season is on its way?

  • CDC Headed to Dallas in Advance of Ebola Results

    09/30/2014 8:46:10 PM PDT · 99 of 111
    exDemMom to DouglasKC
    According to who? The patient? If he was sick enough to go to the hospital on the 24th it's a safe bet that he was exhibiting symptoms prior to know..symptoms he didn't think were serious enough to go to the hospital with.

    No. By all descriptions, Ebola symptoms hit suddenly. He became symptomatic on the 24th and sought medical attention on the 26th. At that time, he was sent home. On the 28th, he again sought medical attention and was then admitted.

    I guess, if you are not actually a scientist, it does not strike you just how sensationalist and ridiculous books like The Hot Zone are. I have skimmed over a little of it, just enough to see that the descriptions were over-the-top. The people described are caricatures, not real scientists. Ditto for any events described in the book. I prefer to watch documentaries that portray the real people speaking for themselves, than some writer's overactive imagination of how the real people might have acted.

  • Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital of Dallas monitoring patient for possible Ebola

    09/30/2014 6:56:06 PM PDT · 60 of 61
    exDemMom to DouglasKC
    The body fluids "pour out" of Ebola victims and all of these body fluids are heavily virus laden. Sweat, puke, diarrhea, vomit, snot and blood all exit the body in copious amounts and leave the virus wherever they touch.

    But again you're completely missing the point. It's highly virulent AND has an extremely high death rate. That's why people are concerned. It's a very dangerous disease.

    Did you ever read the Hot Zone yet? I'm pretty sure it's been linked multiple times.

    Contaminated bodily fluids being expelled by the body is not the same as virus "pouring out" of the body.

    Keep in mind, I am a scientist, and my mind is extremely literal. I also insist on absolute precision of expression.

    No, I have not read the Hot Zone, nor do I plan to. Sensationalist books like that annoy me greatly. I restrict my Ebola reading to the many scientific journal articles on the subject, and I also watch documentaries about it. I prefer to keep things real.

  • CDC Headed to Dallas in Advance of Ebola Results

    09/30/2014 6:42:16 PM PDT · 95 of 111
    exDemMom to DouglasKC
    Don’t forget...this guy probably went through multiple airports...and the first people to examine him almost surely were not thinking it was Ebola.

    This person was screened prior to flying out of Africa on Sept. 19, and did not develop symptoms until Sept 24. Ebola is only contagious once symptoms appear. Therefore, the people who will be evaluated are people who may have been in contact with the patient on Sept 24 and after.

  • CDC Headed to Dallas in Advance of Ebola Results

    09/30/2014 6:35:06 PM PDT · 93 of 111
    exDemMom to Common Sense 101
    Even more ridiculous is the local county health official’s comments regarding the situation; he basically came out and said that this patient posed no threat to the general public and that his office was “looking into how many people the patient may have come into contact with over the last few days.” And yes, the moron said this with a straight face...

    Um, what else was he supposed to say? He was describing basic contact tracing, a fundamental principal of disease control. Everyone this person has encountered since he/she became symptomatic (on the 24th IIRC) will be evaluated. Depending on whether the evaluation places them in high or low risk category, they will be followed for the next 21 days. And that will be the end of that.

  • CDC Headed to Dallas in Advance of Ebola Results

    09/30/2014 6:29:09 PM PDT · 92 of 111
    exDemMom to Gadsden1st
    First I have heard of CDC sending personnel BEFORE results are in. I would hate to think the CDC is already starting to shade the truth about Ebola in the US.

    The CDC was probably activating ahead of the test results because the patient's past history includes confirmed contact with Ebola patients. Case history alone is sufficient to begin responding. Had the patient not been known to have a history of contact with an Ebola patient, they would have waited until the results were in because they would not have any reason to think the patient would actually test positive.

  • Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital of Dallas monitoring patient for possible Ebola

    09/30/2014 6:23:17 PM PDT · 58 of 61
    exDemMom to DouglasKC
    You've got this wrong. The fatality rate for Ebola Zaire (the strain that's in Africa right now) has historically been between 70% to 90%. Right now in Africa the exact numbers are very hard to quantify since the true number of infected and deaths aren't really known. There's no reason to think that it's NOT still between 70% and 90%

    CDC table of Ebola outbreaks. The lethality rate of Ebola Zaire ranges from 47% to 89% (I do not count the single cases since an outbreak of size n=1 is either 0 or 100%). I really do not know how the WHO comes up with the 70% number for the current outbreak; my calculations show the CFR as being far lower.

    Marburg death rates run between 24% to 88% according to WHO

    I quoted that 83-90% Marburg fatality figure directly out of the MMWR report on the imported Marburg case that I previously linked. If that number is incorrect, take it up with the authors of that report.

    I'm not sure where you get this idea. Ebola is very virulent. The virus literally pours out of the bodies of victim and it takes a very small amount of the virus to infect someone. And even if you believe that it's NOT contagious...we had better treat it like it is highly contagious because of the high death rate.

    Virulence (pathogenicity) is not contagiousness. A disease can be highly virulent without being at all contagious. Malaria, dengue, chikungunya, tick-borne encephalitis, all fall into the virulent but not contagious category.

    In general, virulence is inversely related to contagiousness. Common colds, for instance, are very contagious but not very virulent. This inverse relationship between the contagiousness of a microorganism and its virulence has been observed so often that it is almost a paradigm among microbiologists and other infectious disease experts.

    Virus does not "pour out" of Ebola patients. It is contained within bodily fluids, and in order to get Ebola, one must have close contact with the patient or with the infected fluids. This means that Ebola is not very contagious. It is, however, highly infective since only a few viral particles are capable of causing clinical disease.

  • Transgenderism Is A Mental Illness, Not A Civil Rights Issue

    09/30/2014 4:11:54 AM PDT · 9 of 22
    exDemMom to Organic Panic
    If one of those people wants to drop 100,000 dollars to look like Chaz Bono fine.

    I remember that she was paraded like a freak show soon after she had herself mutilated, but I wonder how she is doing now?

    I seriously doubt that the mental illness that drove her to seek mutilation has dissipated since she was mutilated; she is probably still extremely unhappy.

    It is criminal that people with this mental illness are humored and coddled, instead of being treated. Yes, I know that treatment of mental illness lags behind treatment of other illnesses--but to use the mentally ill to get a quick buck instead of trying therapy is a gross violation of their humanity.

  • Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital of Dallas monitoring patient for possible Ebola

    09/30/2014 3:28:19 AM PDT · 39 of 61
    exDemMom to Nachum
    In 2008, there was an imported case of Marburg in the United States. Marburg is almost identical to Ebola, except that the fatality range is higher, about 83-90% (by contrast, Ebola is 45-90%).

    The woman had traveled in Uganda and visited a bat cave while there. She fell ill and was admitted to a hospital. There, she received surgery, recovered, and was released without ever being diagnosed. Six months later, she requested repeat testing for Marburg since she had heard of a Dutch tourist who visited the same cave and developed a fatal case of Marburg. That testing revealed that she had, in fact, had Marburg. Contact tracing revealed that she had not caused a single secondary infection.

    I fully expect that any cases of Ebola that manage to enter the US will have a similar outcome. The patient may or may not survive, but the disease is highly unlikely to spread any further than the affected patient.

    Imported Case of Marburg Hemorrhagic Fever --- Colorado, 2008

    I'm glad that diseases like Ebola and Marburg aren't very contagious.

  • Chinese father chops up daughter for being a family disappointment: police

    09/29/2014 7:26:03 PM PDT · 75 of 81
    exDemMom to arthurus

    In other words, you are trying to convince me that there is no moral or functional equivalence between preventing pregnancy or terminating it before birth.

    That is the exact same message that Planned Parenthood told me in high school.

    How in the world can you convince a young pro-abortion woman that your message is somehow superior to Planned Parenthood’s message?

    I honestly don’t care what a young couple (married or not) does. But I do care, a lot, if the young couple fails to take any measures to prevent pregnancy, and instead kills one or more of their children. Destroying life is wrong. Preventing life is no big deal.

  • Feds Spent $300,000 Studying How to Ride Bikes

    09/29/2014 7:15:10 PM PDT · 43 of 44
    exDemMom to muir_redwoods; VTenigma
    Your points are valid. The investigation should be funded by bicycle companies that stand to gain from such improvements. I can see no role for taxpayers in such a study.

    Others would say that it is immoral for such advances to be monopolized by a single company, keeping everyone except that company from benefiting from the research.

    In my experience, companies do only research that has a clear potential for profit, preferably in the short-term. Government funded research tends to be more open and ask the basic "how" questions that lead to the basic mechanistic understanding that allow companies to develop the profitable products. I am a basic scientist; the things I do in the lab typically percolate to the commercial world a decade or so after they become commonplace in the lab.

  • Feds Spent $300,000 Studying How to Ride Bikes

    09/29/2014 7:04:15 PM PDT · 42 of 44
    exDemMom to mythenjoseph

    If you had a choice, would you rather be confined to a wheelchair, or have a prosthetic that would allow you to walk and ride bicycles and do all the other things that normal people do?

  • American Doctor Exposed to Ebola in US for Observation

    09/29/2014 6:35:23 PM PDT · 13 of 17
    exDemMom to LucyT

    My question is, why are we exposing an American doctor to Ebola in the US? If it’s simply for observation, might I suggest that we just observe the people who are already exposed?

    Ugh! Was the editor asleep?

    I am reminded that commas save lives:

    Let’s eat Grandma vs. Let’s eat, Grandma.

  • Obama: ‘Everyone has to do more’ to stop Ebola

    09/29/2014 6:29:46 PM PDT · 97 of 97
    exDemMom to F15Eagle
    Do we have 100% certainty that it can not evolve into an airborne form?

    Nothing is 100% certain. However, no virus has ever changed its mode of transmission, and this one is not likely to do so, either.

    If it were able to gain the ability to be resistant to the drying effect of being suspended in the air and to be UV-resistant, it could lose its ability to infect. Also, in general, viruses that become more contagious become less pathogenic. In the off-chance that Ebola could become airborne, it would no longer attack the connective tissues of organs and blood vessels because it would have switched to being a respiratory virus--and respiratory viruses typically do not cause serious disease.

  • Feds Spent $300,000 Studying How to Ride Bikes

    09/29/2014 4:43:24 AM PDT · 15 of 44
    exDemMom to Olog-hai

    Although the average non-scientist might not see the purpose of such a study, there actually is a lot of value in understanding the physics of bicycle riding. Science and technology advances because scientists look at what seem to laypeople like simple processes and ask, “What is really happening here? What are the physical mechanisms behind this deceptively uncomplicated appearing process?”

    By understanding such processes, we can, for example, help disabled people gain mobility. Engineers could even come up with a paradigm-shifting new bicycle design. I’m not thinking very imaginatively here—a physicist or engineer could, I am sure, come up with many other possibilities.

  • Obama: ‘Everyone has to do more’ to stop Ebola

    09/29/2014 4:32:28 AM PDT · 93 of 97
    exDemMom to F15Eagle
    How else can he repeat the 1918 Spanish Flu by bringing back infected troops to American soil? Which killed 50 million people or so.

    The factors that enable influenza to cause sporadic pandemics do not exist with Ebola. Ebola is not airborne, it is not contagious before symptoms appear, and it is only transmissible through direct contact with infected bodily fluids.

    In contrast, influenza is contagious by the aerosol route before symptoms appear. Many people can be infected in a short time.

    Africa has some unique customs that are responsible for the spread of Ebola. They wash bodies and give them enemas in preparation for burial; funerals involve physical contact with the deceased. The people who get sick are typically those who take care of the ill, and those who go to funerals of Ebola victims. In the US, we isolate patients with highly infectious diseases, and family members would not touch or kiss the deceased during the funeral of a person who dies of such a disease.

  • Keys To Ebola Containment

    09/29/2014 4:01:15 AM PDT · 84 of 92
    exDemMom to flamberge
    That is where the ethical problems begin with this sort of research. The only definitive experiments must be done on humans. Some of them will likely die from the experiments.

    That is exactly how the smallpox/cowpox vaccination was developed.

    IIRC the original patient was a volunteer - the Doctor vaccinated himself and then exposed himself to smallpox.

    Something like that could be necessary with Ebola.

    A major reason why we do not have Ebola vaccines or drugs is that we simply cannot do the phase 3 efficacy testing in humans. Even the phase 1 safety testing has proven problematic. The FDA has an animal rule--but even for that to apply, we'd need more data on how Ebola affects humans.

    When Dr. Jenner invented the smallpox vaccine, he had some observational data to back up his self-experiment. He had noted that milkmaids who got cowpox never came down with smallpox. There is no such observational data to support the testing of Ebola Reston as a potential vaccine for Ebola Zaire. The two viruses are found in different areas of the world--Reston is in Asia, Zaire is in Africa. Testing of cross-reactivity cannot be done in monkeys, since they get fatal illness from both strains. Furthermore, even though the only people who have had Reston did not get sick, there is no guarantee that it does not sicken other people.

    From a drug development standpoint, Ebola is really difficult.

  • Keys To Ebola Containment

    09/28/2014 9:02:21 PM PDT · 53 of 92
    exDemMom to flamberge
    Which makes it an excellent candidate on which to base an Ebola vaccine. Much as cowpox provided immunity to smallpox, it may be that a vaccine derived from Ebola-Reston may provide immunity to other strains of Ebola.

    If Ebola Reston and Ebola Zaire are too far diverged from their common ancestor, vaccinating with Reston might not be any help at all for Zaire. Cross-immunity must be determined experimentally, since it does not always exist.

  • Keys To Ebola Containment

    09/28/2014 7:16:09 PM PDT · 44 of 92
    exDemMom to ansel12; Vermont Lt; Lady Heron; vetvetdoug

    Ansel, thank you for posting the narrative of what happened at the Reston monkey import facility.

    A few salient points that need to be made clear:

    1) There is no firm evidence that the Ebola Reston strain ever spread through aerosols. That particular facility was, by the accounts, very dirty (a “monkey hell” in one description), and the virus could easily have been carried between rooms, for instance, on someone’s sleeve.

    2) Ebola Reston is not a mutation of Ebola Zaire; they both split from some ancestor filovirus, probably tens of thousands of years ago. I haven’t looked at the phylogenetic trees, so I am guessing; the point is, that these have both been circulating for a while in animal reservoirs.

    3) There is no evidence that Ebola Reston causes symptomatic disease in humans. As far as I know, 15 people were documented to be seropositive for Ebola Reston (that is, they have antibody evidence of previous infection), but no one has ever become ill from it. The WHO still recommends handling Reston under BSL4 conditions, because there remains the possibility that some people would develop full-blown Ebola fever disease from exposure to Reston virus.

  • Democrats Think Medical Marijuana Will Get "Liberal Thinking Voters" To the Polls

    09/28/2014 10:07:02 AM PDT · 15 of 25
    exDemMom to Kaslin

    It could backfire. It doesn’t take very heavy pot use at all to permanently rewire the brain to make people less ambitious and lack initiative.

    Unambitious apathetic people probably won’t take the trouble to vote. However, I’m perfectly okay with them staying home.

  • A Lesbian’s Eyes Opened: ‘You Don't Hate Us!’

    09/28/2014 7:53:15 AM PDT · 26 of 104
    exDemMom to yldstrk
    My daughter told me a kid in her high school, a girl, now ids as a boy

    That is so sad. It used to be that girls had the freedom to be tomboys. Now, if a girl shows tomboyish behavior, she is likely to be pushed towards sexual deviancy by "enlightened" liberals. That is child abuse.

  • Chinese father chops up daughter for being a family disappointment: police

    09/28/2014 7:28:13 AM PDT · 45 of 81
    exDemMom to arthurus
    Birth control devalues marriage. Devalued marriage leads inexorably to abortion. Chemical birth control, the pill, sometimes prevents pregnancy by suppressing the cycle. Sometimes it kills the baby. Physical birth control by insertion of devices directly kills babies. Supporting birth control is supporting abortion and other societal murder of inconvenient people. People who say they distinguish are merely saying that their chosen method is superior to others’ methods and most would have no problem with an overt abortion should the chosen other method fail. After all, they tried to do it “right” and it didn’t work. Got to get rid of it somehow.

    If implantation does not occur, there is no pregnancy. And there is absolutely no way that you will ever convince me that *preventing* life is equivalent to *taking* life. I am not capable of that kind of mental gymnastics. Furthermore, I think that equating the two is extremely counterproductive--after all, the majority of abortion clients are convinced that there is no difference, and believe that no baby exists until birth.

    That's a weird idea, that somehow using birth control devalues marriage. Take a look at any couple married for decades, with two or three children. Do you seriously think that most of those decades were spent in a platonic relationship? Naw--they used contraceptives.

  • Chinese father chops up daughter for being a family disappointment: police

    09/28/2014 7:21:28 AM PDT · 44 of 81
    exDemMom to Ethan Clive Osgoode
    I've met several chinese classical music students who never heard of Bach. I don't think I can find an American classical music student or musician with this bizarre defect.

    I went to the WWII museum in New Orleans with a Chinese woman. I'm no historian (hate history, actually), but I ended up explaining a whole lot of WWII history to her. She had no idea, for example, of why we had to drop the atomic bombs on Japan, of the Japanese culture that dictates that suicide is preferable to defeat.

  • Chinese father chops up daughter for being a family disappointment: police

    09/28/2014 7:17:19 AM PDT · 43 of 81
    exDemMom to stanne
    “...they care more about people engaging in intercourse without intent of pregnancy...”

    Well, what’s intercourse for?

    Considering the behavior of humans ever since humanity existed, I would say that the biological function of intercourse is the last thing on people's minds when they engage in that behavior. Since the evidence is that people will engage in intercourse no matter what--even if doing so can earn them a death sentence as is the case in Islamic countries--I'm perfectly okay with them taking precautions so as not to get pregnant. The way I see it, killing a baby is a far greater sin than engaging in conjugal relations with one's husband or fiance while using contraceptives.

  • Ebola Surveillance Thread

    09/28/2014 7:10:07 AM PDT · 2,530 of 2,758
    exDemMom to Cedar

    You’re welcome.

    I try my best to make this stuff understandable to people who do not have a science background.

  • Study: Allowing blood donations from gay men could help save over a million lives in U.S.

    09/27/2014 10:21:10 PM PDT · 43 of 103
    exDemMom to Phillyred

    I seriously doubt that accepting blood donations from that 1% of the population that is gay male is going to make a big difference in blood supply.

    I wonder how many people are indefinitely deferred from donating because they have a history of living in certain areas in Europe during the mad cow era?

    Neither me, my husband, or our son can ever donate blood for that reason.

  • Chinese father chops up daughter for being a family disappointment: police

    09/27/2014 10:17:05 PM PDT · 9 of 81
    exDemMom to stanne

    Abortion might be used as a method of birth control, but most birth control methods do not kill. People who use contraceptives do not get pregnant.

    It’s incredibly unrealistic to expect that people will avoid intercourse if they don’t want children.

    Whenever I see someone apparently get more worked up about the use of birth control than they do about abortion, I get the impression that they care more about people engaging in intercourse without intent of pregnancy than they do about whether someone kills a baby.

  • Chelsea Clinton Welcomes a Daughter, Charlotte Clinton Mezvinsky

    09/27/2014 5:21:08 AM PDT · 7 of 115
    exDemMom to afraidfortherepublic

    I feel sorry for the kid. I can hope that she does not turn out as disconnected and unempathetic as her “money means nothing to me” privileged mother, but I think the chance of that is slight.

  • When you think of Eric Holder, please remember Elian Gonzalez

    09/27/2014 5:18:55 AM PDT · 7 of 26
    exDemMom to afraidfortherepublic

    That poor, poor child. Turned from a happy little boy surrounded by relatives into a resentful bitter mouthpiece for Castro’s communism.

    I wonder how Elian’s father has coped, after being used so blatantly to deliver a political pawn to Castro in the form of his son?


    09/27/2014 5:12:16 AM PDT · 19 of 35
    exDemMom to SueRae
    Viruses mutate and I wonder if our childhood immunization program have kept up... sickens me beyond comprehension.

    There is no vaccine for EV68. If it becomes a real problem, expect a vaccine no sooner than 10 years from now.

    And, since we're talking vaccines, thank the anti-vaccination nuts for making sure that their kids remain susceptible to all kinds of diseases, giving those viruses and bacteria every opportunity to mutate so as to be vaccine resistant.


    09/27/2014 5:07:45 AM PDT · 18 of 35
    exDemMom to mware
    Sure hope this isn't a strain of polio.

    Polio is a type of enterovirus. I do not know how similar EV68 is to polio, although similar viruses often (not always) cause similar disease.

  • In Liberia, Home Deaths Spread Circle of Ebola Contagion

    09/26/2014 7:49:51 PM PDT · 33 of 34
    exDemMom to greeneyes
    In one of these threads there was a statement about needing more room to bury the dead, and also that dogs were digging up the corpses with a potential for spreading it that way.

    Assuming that was true, it would seem logical to burn the bodies along with anything else that can’t be safely sanitized.

    I have heard that dogs were eating corpses left in the streets, but not that they dug up bodies. I would guess the infectivity of the corpse would depend on how long since the person died. I have a microbiologist friend who cannot imagine that the virus would be viable more than a couple hours after death, due to pH changes that happen early in the decomposition process. I take her word for it--I have never studied decomposition.

    I saw a scientific journal article about Ebola in dogs. They get the disease from eating corpses and have an immune response, but they do not get sick. I do not know if those dogs are contagious.

    I think that many bodies are being burned. However, many are buried, also.

  • Ebola Outbreak: Spanish Missionary Manuel Garcia Viejo Dies of Deadly Virus in Madrid

    09/26/2014 7:45:05 PM PDT · 28 of 31
    exDemMom to Lady Heron
    One guy got off a plane in Nigeria and spread it to 8 or 9 people. That is way off the charts contagious and that does not even include who he gave it to before Nigeria. Then add that to the fact that there is an 84% death rate.

    Let's see--that guy had malaria, so the Ebola was not recognized right away. Healthcare workers got sick because they thought they were dealing with malaria, and did not know about the Ebola. Spouses of health care workers also got sick. There were a total of 19 confirmed and one suspected case in Nigeria, with 8 deaths. Some media reports tell of 21 cases, but the CDC says 19 and one suspect. Every single case had physical contact with the index case or a secondary case. There is not a single instance of transmission through casual contact or even fomites.

    Once the index case in Nigeria was identified as having Ebola, he was isolated and contact tracing was initiated. As of 9/20/2014, the last traced contact remained symptom-free. Since an outbreak is declared over when 2 incubation periods (=42 days) have passed, I'm calculating that in another 15 days, Nigeria will officially be Ebola-free.

    The death rate for this outbreak is around 60%. The WHO recently declared 70%, but I question that--I calculate less than 60%.

    I am sorry but even the doctors here I talk to think this thing is way scary and are blowing holes through the propaganda being spewed in the news and are screaming quarantine. The "it is not a problem" propaganda gets old especially when you add the Canadian 2012 study and the question what the meaning of airborne is.

    Do any of the doctors you talk to have personal experience working with Ebola, either as health care providers or researchers? Have they read every study on Ebola, until they are bored stiff with the subject? I would say that without that perspective, they are no different than the average person on the street as far as their knowledge level goes. The "propaganda" being spewed in the news is information being provided by the researchers and clinicians who deal first-hand with Ebola. I've seen many names quoted, people who have been working with Ebola for decades. As long as the news articles are quoting highly experienced Ebola researchers (or the head of the CDC, who talks to them), I am comfortable with the accuracy of the news reports.

    I do not know what "the Canadian 2012 study" is, so cannot comment. If you care to provide a reference, I'll be glad to take a look and figure out what the study really showed.

    I understand not panicking people and the need for common sense look at the situation and that yes, we would have a better chance to put a stop to it before it got out of hand as long as it was not used in a large diversely released attack but at some point it is just sticking your head in the sand or you have an agenda.

    My "agenda" is to insert some rationality into the discussion. I see a lot of people who know little about the subject blowing it up to apocalyptic proportions that really are not justified by any facts. While I realize that some people love to worry about some existential threat, that mode of thinking is completely foreign to me. I'm practical--you identify a threat, determine how serious it is, how likely it is, and decide on mitigation measures. There's no need for panic or hysterics in a rational risk-assessment exercise.

  • Ebola Outbreak: Spanish Missionary Manuel Garcia Viejo Dies of Deadly Virus in Madrid

    09/26/2014 6:42:49 PM PDT · 26 of 31
    exDemMom to Smokin' Joe
    You keep saying it isn't very contagious, but the doctors on the ground (now, some of them in the ground) in Africa describe the disease as "highly contagious".

    Compared to influenza (or, as my boss puts it, "a disease that can actually start a pandemic"), Ebola is hardly contagious at all. It requires direct contact with infected bodily fluids. It is "highly contagious" in the sense that it takes so few viral particles to cause illness (ID50 is about 10, IIRC)--but not in its mode of transmission. It transmits purely through human behavior--stop the behaviors, and the virus will stop.

    I do not downplay this disease at all, although I do think it's rather bizarre that it's getting so much attention. To put some perspective, we have horrible contagious diseases right here in the US. Rabies--also spread by direct contact with infected bodily fluid--is 100% fatal once symptoms appear. Hantavirus has a CFR between 19 and 56%, and is airborne (although not spread from human to human). I freak out any time a rodent gets into my house, because Hanta is endemic in rodents in many parts of the country. Looking outside of the US, there are persistent avian flu infections--H7N9 and H5N1--each with fairly high CFRs (about 30% and 60%, IIRC)--and there is a real danger that through recombination or natural mutation, they will become human to human transmissible. Or some other influenza virus could pop up, highly transmissible, with a high CFR.

    No, I am not downplaying Ebola at all. I realize that most people had never heard of it until this year, and the hemorrhagic form is quite dramatic. But it's not the most dangerous disease threat, even in Africa.

  • Ebola Outbreak: Spanish Missionary Manuel Garcia Viejo Dies of Deadly Virus in Madrid

    09/26/2014 4:28:00 AM PDT · 9 of 31
    exDemMom to RegulatorCountry
    Flying him home might have been the most rational and compassionate thing from the standpoint of medical treatment, but was it somewhat questionable as far as preventing spread of contagion? Hard question.

    Given that Ebola is not very contagious--it requires direct contact with infected bodily fluids--flying known patients home in an aircraft equipped for that purpose is not a factor in spreading disease. OTOH, the people who don't know they have Ebola and become symptomatic with vomiting and diarrhea during a long flight might pose an infection risk.

  • Ebola Outbreak: Spanish Missionary Manuel Garcia Viejo Dies of Deadly Virus in Madrid

    09/26/2014 4:24:39 AM PDT · 8 of 31
    exDemMom to Morpheus2009
    So people coming home to the developed world can still die.

    I read an interview with a doctor who has treated many Ebola patients during outbreaks. Even with good care, many still die. The best hope for survival is to have top-notch care, but that is no guarantee.

    This is actually true of many infectious diseases. Patient genetics and health status both contribute to outcome.

  • Upsetting the coffee cart: Federal regulations limit curriculum along with choices

    09/26/2014 2:54:58 AM PDT · 19 of 22
    exDemMom to Tolerance Sucks Rocks
    In addition, the 2010 federal regulation Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act limits the amount of sodium, sugar and calories in each food served at lunchtime.

    That's a really ironic name for that act.

    The Federal government has a long history of "providing" funding for state responsibilities, and then threatening to take away that funding if the state does not comply with some federal regulation. If only the states would have stood up when this practice first started--anything the federal government "provides" comes from the same taxpayers who pay the state and local taxes. There is no such thing as "government money."

  • Italy Stages Ebola Evacuation Drill–Just in Case

    09/26/2014 2:47:31 AM PDT · 14 of 14
    exDemMom to ProtectOurFreedom
    In official parlance, the room is called the BSL-4 Patient Isolation Suite. Unofficially, it's called "the slammer." Located at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Frederick's sprawling Fort Detrick, "the slammer" is made up of two, 180-square-foot patient care rooms and a 300-square-foot treatment room. It was here that a USAMRIID scientist who recently was feared to be exposed to a weakened form of the Ebola virus was housed for 21 days between Feb. 12 and March 3.

    Sadly, the slammer no longer exists.