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  • NBC Op-Ed Complains ‘To Kill a Mockingbird’ Teaches Children Not to Believe Rape Victims

    10/21/2017 11:08:26 AM PDT · 4 of 61
    AnAmericanMother to ItsOnlyDaryl
    Yep, and that Scottsboro Trial teaches people not to believe rape victims either . . .

    (that's Ruby Bates, bearing false witness . . . )

  • vanity: Save the Wild Horses

    10/10/2017 11:31:16 AM PDT · 89 of 89
    AnAmericanMother to Duchess47
    I have a big Curtis coffee-table book.

    They ARE good looking horses. Figure that (1) the Indians were still dependent on having GOOD horses for daily life and (2) photography was still a big event in those days, the folks would put their best foot forward for the photog and put on their best clothes AND get the best horse out of the corral -

  • vanity: Save the Wild Horses

    10/04/2017 12:03:49 PM PDT · 87 of 89
    AnAmericanMother to Duchess47
    These didn't strike me as drafters - at least the ones I saw here and in central New Jersey were on the smallish and small-boned side. But with big feet :-D

    I think it was a result of people breeding for the markings and color and putting conformation a distant second. We've seen this also in halter classes . . . and dog shows.

  • vanity: Save the Wild Horses

    10/04/2017 10:00:28 AM PDT · 85 of 89
    AnAmericanMother to Duchess47

    One thing I’ve noticed is that their looks are really improving. The old ewe-necked, big-headed, rat-tailed Apps seem to have fallen by the wayside.

  • vanity: Save the Wild Horses

    10/04/2017 8:54:11 AM PDT · 83 of 89
    AnAmericanMother to Duchess47
    What IS it about Appys?

    Used to be one at our barn that was named RT. That stood for Rotten Thing. She was a kook and her ground manners were appalling, but she could jump the moon.

  • vanity: Save the Wild Horses

    10/04/2017 8:52:03 AM PDT · 82 of 89
    AnAmericanMother to central_va
    I used to feed my show cats horse meat. It was very good for their coats and their digestion, recommended to me by an old-line breeder.

    The English-speaking peoples' prejudice against the horse as food is said to originate with the worship of the horse-goddess Epona. Dunno if that's true . . .

  • vanity: Save the Wild Horses

    10/04/2017 8:47:12 AM PDT · 81 of 89
    AnAmericanMother to Mr Rogers
    That is the truth. Most agitators don't participate in whatever it is they're insisting somebody else take care of.

    Nothing wrong with a good trail and general riding horse - in fact my big hunters would not be good trail horses. Besides the fact that I would be hitting every low lying tree limb and getting all the spider webs, a springy hunter trot is NOT the way you want to spend 2-3 hours! that's why the Plantation Walkers are so popular . . .

  • vanity: Save the Wild Horses

    10/04/2017 8:37:56 AM PDT · 79 of 89
    AnAmericanMother to street_lawyer
    That's obviously at first glance a domestic horse (halter, head).

    Also, if you ran the story down rather than doing a google search on "starving horse", you would find that that is an animal abuse case in Citrus County, Florida. It's an Arabian, and the owner is being prosecuted for starving the horse to death over the course of a year. Nothing to do with BLM, slaughter, or anything else we're discussing.

    Since horses are still property, other than calling the law there is nothing we can do about lowlifes like this. For my part, I study the nutrition of the horses under my care and consult my good vet when I have a problem.

    We have gone from what promised to be a fruitful discussion to your trying to be snarky without having any knowledge base. You never responded to my question about your qualifications, but it's clear from your comments here that you haven't got any. You should have quit when that became obvious.

  • vanity: Save the Wild Horses

    10/04/2017 7:55:15 AM PDT · 78 of 89
    AnAmericanMother to Duchess47
    Yeah, I'm partial to the ones I need a stepladder to get on (and I'm short and short-legged to boot). One thing I discovered in the hunting field is that you can lead a horse into a ditch and accomplish the same thing.

    I'm still doing combined training, haven't been out on a hunter pace in awhile. There's a schooling day in a couple of weeks at a local 3-day farm, thinking about getting out there. But just changed horses so maybe not (or I can ride my old horse if he's not spoken for . . . )

  • Berkeley students shut down exam, demand 'take-home' instead

    10/04/2017 7:51:00 AM PDT · 25 of 36
    AnAmericanMother to Fresh Wind
    Exactly. As a general rule, adding "studies" to the end of a program indicates that it does not fulfill the degree requirements of whatever department it is under - or of the university.

    We see the same thing on the ecclesiastical side - "Theological Studies" does not fulfill degree requirements of the Theology department of most schools . . . lot of "liturgists" running around with such degrees.

  • vanity: Save the Wild Horses

    09/29/2017 6:59:10 PM PDT · 69 of 89
    AnAmericanMother to Duchess47
    I would think that if you know what you're doing, you would like better material to work with . . .

    Of course, I'm spoiled because I'm back East where we have more hunter-types -- which really is my ride of choice. I've been riding an Appendix who looks like a TB, just switched to a big Warmblood who has a little more giddyup . . . I didn't ride while my husband was so sick, and I'm easing back into it gradually . . .

  • vanity: Save the Wild Horses

    09/29/2017 5:40:53 PM PDT · 67 of 89
    AnAmericanMother to Duchess47
    Surely they can find some funding somewhere? Maybe the romantics will pony up (they're not opposed to birth control, generally, right? ;-) )

    I would think romance would go right out the window when your teeth are being jounced out of your head by a stiff jolting trot or a rough lope, or while Flicka is going along with the bit in her teeth and nose straight up in the air . . . but I guess some people like the challenge.

  • vanity: Save the Wild Horses

    09/29/2017 11:16:38 AM PDT · 65 of 89
    AnAmericanMother to Duchess47
    Exactly, it depends on the environment, the bloodlines, etc.

    It's encouraging that BLM is taking proactive steps to control reproduction. Is it a pilot program, or is there another reason it hasn't been implemented elsewhere?

    But, ultimately, why would somebody pay for a feral animal of unknown origin when well-bred horses are available for under a thousand bucks? In the end it makes no sense at all.

  • vanity: Save the Wild Horses

    09/28/2017 6:31:34 PM PDT · 62 of 89
    AnAmericanMother to street_lawyer; artfldgr
    Actually, they technically are an invasive species - that's a term of art.

    The original native equines in the Americas died out long before any humans got here.

    Every "wild" (actually feral) horse in the West is descended from a domesticated horse that was turned loose at some time in the past - maybe there are still some descended from horses brought by the Spanish conquistadors, but most are from horse owners fallen on hard times, by chance escaping from a ranch herd, etc. Most of them are just random mixed breed - what used to be called a "grade horse".

  • vanity: Save the Wild Horses

    09/28/2017 6:23:01 PM PDT · 61 of 89
    AnAmericanMother to street_lawyer
    No, wild horses are generally not well conformed, let alone "almost perfectly conformed."

    First of all, there is no one "perfect" conformation for all purposes. The tall muscular horse with small head, long arched neck, prominent withers, hocks well let down, long pasterns and sloping shoulder, perfect for galloping and jumping, you are not going to find *anywhere* on the range. Period. You are also not going to find anything of a harness type. They also tend to run small.

    The best of the BLM horses (a good number of whom are descended from recent escapes or are recent escapes themselves - remember what I said about people turning horses loose? you don't think that happens out west?) are going to look like a cow pony - stocky, short-coupled, and agile. But a good example even of a Western conformation is going to be rare.

    Depending on the area, what you will often find is the coarse, "punchy", upright, almost drafty looking horse with a wide head and short neck -

    - or the "weedy", ewe-necked "hammerhead"

    While a lot of these horses will do okay as riding horses for light work, and they are reasonably sure-footed and agile (otherwise would not survive in the wild), the upright pasterns, straight shoulder, and short back will make for a rough, choppy ride. They are totally unsuitable as jumpers or hunters.

    I've ridden and trained horses for over 50 years. I've worked on a cattle ranch, I've ridden a good deal in the West, both trail work and at "dude ranches", and I've seen plenty of ugly BLM horses. You don't get to just yell "FAKE NEWS" at somebody who has lived it and seen it.

    Out of curiosity, I would like to know what your experience is with selecting, breeding, training or riding horses - because I'm just not seeing that you're engaging with the issue here.

  • vanity: Save the Wild Horses

    09/28/2017 11:43:06 AM PDT · 52 of 89
    AnAmericanMother to Harmless Teddy Bear
    Exactly. A number of years ago, my trainer and I went to the NW GA Horse Auction and paid $500 for a registered Thoroughbred mare out of racing bloodlines (Northern Dancer and Bold Ruler). She was unbroke (had been used as a broodmare) but training her was a breeze. She was the first horse I took personally all the way from halter broke to Combined Training competition. She lived to the ripe old age of 31 and was sound until she was 28 or so. I also hunted her (she was rock steady to hounds) and just for fun would show her in Conformation Hunter occasionally (she took either first or second every time - she was a beauty and a great natural jumper).

    If $500 will get you a quality high-bred horse, nobody is going to waste time on 13-14 hh chance-bred little weeders.

  • vanity: Save the Wild Horses

    09/28/2017 11:33:34 AM PDT · 48 of 89
    AnAmericanMother to street_lawyer
    Unintended consequences.

    Don't know if you've ever been in the horse business (sounds like not - puissance isn't of wide currency anymore - only two recognized events in the U.S. last year) but the dirty little secret is that banning humane and necessary slaughterhouses in the U.S. led directly and inevitably to the Mexican horrors.

    Unfortunately, many horses are not viable for anyone to keep, let alone your average owner. Some are temperamentally dangerous (try having a 1400 pound animal actively trying to bite you, strike out at you, or pound you into jelly). Some are unsound and cannot be used for any purpose (what we call "pasture ornaments"), others are so lame that they cannot move about and inevitably succumb to colic, founder, or some other disease that overtakes immobile horses. Euthanasia is very expensive, and whether the horse dies of colic or a lethal injection, you are left with 12-1400 pounds of dead weight to dispose of - not an easy task (I have assisted at several backhoe burials on the back 40).

    With no option to send vicious or unsound horses to slaughter, and the high price of hay and feed, the owners often just turn them loose or sneak them into somebody else's pasture (my pro trainer says she used to worry about going down to the pasture and finding tire tracks and a horse missing - now she goes down to the pasture and finds tire tracks and two horses she never saw before). And THAT adds a risk of communicating deadly diseases to the whole mix, not to mention the risk of colliding with a loose horse or three on the highway.

    The banning of slaughterhouses in the US was not done to save money - it was at the behest of ignorant animal rights activists who have never been any closer to a horse than a Disney movie.

    The wild horses are a whole separate issue. We spend a lot of time calculating our pasture yield and how many acres are needed to support a horse - the BLM horses overpopulate quickly and destroy the relatively delicate range (it's not like a well-watered, fertilized pasture, and too many horses will quickly churn up even a well cared for meadow). Over time the bands inbreed, and you get the weedy, knock-kneed, jug-headed gray horses that are useless for much of anything other than destroying rangeland.

    BLM needs to (1) do some serious culling to reduce numbers and remove bad examples of inbreeding; (2) start an overall breeding/rebuilding program and judiciously add breeding stock to particular herds; (3) get the horses off the most delicate land. And USDA needs to reinstitute a network of humane, well-inspected slaughterhouses.

  • Rep. Steve Scalise says congressional baseball shooting was like ‘rebuilding Humpty Dumpty’

    09/28/2017 11:04:31 AM PDT · 25 of 56
    AnAmericanMother to vette6387
    They've already changed the article to show 7.62 mm.

    They're still idiots.

  • vanity: Save the Wild Horses

    09/28/2017 10:22:27 AM PDT · 11 of 89
    AnAmericanMother to street_lawyer
    " . . . healthy, well-fed horses capable of winning a national jumping completion . . ."

    Think the article means "competition" - but, in any event, no. Just . . . no.

    Person sees one pic of a horse rearing up to clear some knee-high wispy grass, and thinks that that horse is going to be able to carry a rider over 4' - 4'6" solid walls, oxers, and combinations against the clock?


    Even the BLM horses that are NOT sickly inbreds are mostly stock type, very short-backed, close-coupled and short-legged, with short necks and heavy heads. They can no more negotiate even a Novice level jumping course than fly to the moon.

    Might be good on barrels, though.

  • McCain: Dallas Cowboys Have a ‘Right’ to Kneel

    09/27/2017 8:23:38 AM PDT · 27 of 134
    AnAmericanMother to Magnum44

    . . . that’s a REALLY bad case of rain rot!