"Art thou not Sebastian whom I before commanded to be slain with arrows?" ~ A few interesting points about Saint Sebastian's ancient Passio.

Gloria Romanorum ^ | January 20, 2022 | Florentius

[aMorePerfectUnion]

We simply don’t know the accuracy of this account.

Nor is it evidence it was practiced, taught, and certainly never in Scripture.

[Texas_Guy]

So are the Apostles dead? Scripture never mentioned them dying. The book of Acts just ends. Using the Sola Scriptura logic you can’t even say they died.

Believe in the Trinity? You can’t! Because the word isn’t in scripture.

And what about the bible itself? There isn’t a list of books anywhere in the bible for constitutes the bible. That is why Mad Marty took his knife to it and carved out 6 books.

Not every teaching is in the bible. You need a church with authority for that And until recently very few people could read. This is why the bible alone theology falls flat.

[Antoninus]

We simply don’t know the accuracy of this account.

That's a convenient hedge.

Meanwhile, you're sure the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture....why? Because the Holy Church of antiquity told you so. For the record, I believe that as well. But the fact remains that if you condemn Christians for seeking and venerating relics, you condemn every Christian from the days of the early Church--indeed, the very men who compiled Sacred Scripture for you--through the 16th century when that erroneous doctrine emerged and took hold.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

-->So are the Apostles dead?

No, they will live forever as saved believers.

--> Scripture never mentioned them dying. The book of Acts just ends. Using the Sola Scriptura logic you can’t even say they died.

You fail to understand Sola Scriptura. Bigly. Here we have to say you set up a straw man fallacy argument.

I can however, help you understand the concept more fully here.

'The Reformation principle of sola Scriptura has to do with the sufficiencyof Scripture as our supreme authority in all spiritual matters. Sola Scriptura simply means that all truth necessary for our salvation and spiritual life is taught either explicitly or implicitly in Scripture.

It is not a claim that all truth of every kind is found in Scripture. The most ardent defender of sola Scriptura will concede, for example, that Scripture has little or nothing to say about DNA structures, microbiology, the rules of Chinese grammar, or rocket science. This or that “scientific truth,” for example, may or may not be actually true, whether or not it can be supported by Scripture—but Scripture is a “more sure Word,” standing above all other truth in its authority and certainty. It is “more sure,” according to the apostle Peter, than the data we gather firsthand through our senses (2 Peter 1:19). Therefore, Scripture is the highest and supreme authority on any matter on which it speaks.

But there are many important questions on which Scripture is silent. Sola Scriptura makes no claim to the contrary.

Nor does sola Scriptura claim that everything Jesus or the apostles ever taught is preserved in Scripture. It only means that everything necessary, everything binding on our consciences, and everything God requires of us is given to us in Scripture (2 Peter 1:3).

Furthermore, we are forbidden to add to or take away from Scripture (cf. Deut. 4:2; 12:32; Rev. 22:18-19). To add to it is to lay on people a burden that God Himself does not intend for them to bear (cf. Matt. 23:4).

Scripture is therefore the perfect and only standard of spiritual truth, revealing infallibly all that we must believe in order to be saved and all that we must do in order to glorify God. That—no more, no less—is what sola Scriptura means.

“The whole counsel of God, concerning all things necessary for his own glory, man’s salvation, faith, and life, is either expressly set down in scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men.” —Westminster Confession of Faith

This comes from the Ligonier Ministries website.

-->Believe in the Trinity? You can’t! Because the word isn’t in scripture

We derive the understanding of God's Triune nature ONLY from Scripture. It matters not what you call it. So that is a silly argument.

-->And what about the bible itself? There isn’t a list of books anywhere in the bible for constitutes the bible. That is why Mad Marty took his knife to it and carved out 6 books.

You fail to know history. He did not cut anything out. But then, he appears to live in your head rent-free... Which is worth celebrating!

-->Not every teaching is in the bible.

Sola Scriptura points out that all that is needed for salvation and Christian maturity is found entirely in Scripture. The rest of the definition is above.

-->You need a church with authority for that

Have one.

->And until recently very few people could read. This is why the bible alone theology falls flat.

Haven't you guys been making that claim for a thousand years now?

Scripture points out that God has given His church teachers, so even those who cannot read can understand truth.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

--> That's a convenient hedge.

It is simply true.

--> Meanwhile, you're sure the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture....why? Because the Holy Church of antiquity told you so.

No, the canon has been revisited and corrected over the millennia.

The erroneous doctrine emerged shortly after the death of the Apostles as they foretold. From there, the worship of objects and departed people.

[Trump_Triumphant]

If Christianity went off the rails by 100 A.D., then Gamaliel was right.

[Antoninus]

No, the canon has been revisited and corrected over the millennia.

At least you're honest. On whose authority was the canon "corrected"?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

The canon was corrected by church leaders.

[Antoninus]

The canon was corrected by church leaders.

Really? When did that happen? And who declared them "church leaders"? And by what authority did they "correct" the canon of Scripture? Did Almighty God tell them to do that?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

..sounds like you are unread. Get to work boy!

[Antoninus]

..sounds like you are unread. Get to work boy!

LOL. Now there is an accusation that has not been leveled at me before. Actually, I know the answer but I wanted you to say it. The canon was "corrected" a full 1,100 years after the fact by self-appointed authorities.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Actually, didn’t it take Rome until we’ll into the 4th (!) century at the Council of Laodicea to formalize their view of the canon…

That it took longer to undo the damage is not surprising. Rome was very busy slaughtering believers to hold on to their authority.

Never the less, God has worked to inspire Scripture, preserve it, and identify it. For this I’m grateful.

[SunkenCiv]

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[Texas_Guy]

And scripture came out of the church, not the other way around. The councils and Pipes determined what was scripture and what was not based on the teachings of the Church, the body of Christ.

[Texas_Guy]

Because it’s true. Illiteracy was common up until the 20th century, and still is in many countries. This is why Sola Scriptura is false and ridiculous.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Again, your statement perverts the meaning of Sola Scriptura

[aMorePerfectUnion]

—> And scripture came out of the church,

No. It came because God decreed it so, I wired authors He chose, and worked in history to preserve it.

2/3 of scripture was written and recognized before the birth of Christ. It foretold His birth.

Later the councils decisions had to be examined and improved.