Canon lawyer priest on Amazon Synod’s pagan tree-planting: ‘This is horrendous’

LifeSite News ^ | October 11, 2019 | Martin M. Barillas

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Fr. Murray said, “The ceremony can be accurately described as a pagan religious ceremony and that false goddess, Pachamama — who is like a creation god — this is horrendous, I have to say, no matter what the intention of those who invited those people there. It’s quite clear that that was a pagan religious ceremony with religious meaning to them. This should not be — ever occur in a Catholic institution, certainly not in the Holy See.”

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[Salvation]

Everyone,
Pray the Holy Rosary so that this Amazon and other synods to not succeed.
Stick with the basic Church, in other words.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++and I repeat:

Pray the Rosary daily for the demise of the Amazon and other synods.
If praying the Rosary kept the Moslems out of Europe, it should work here, too.

[rephope]

Fr. Gerald Murray of New York sounds like a Protestant.
What occurred in the Vatican has occurred many times in different circumstances throughout Roman Catholicism. In Roman Catholic teaching, is it not possible to be saved by good works outside of Christ, such as other religions? So why would this ceremony bother a pope or other Roman Catholics?

[neverevergiveup]

I want to know more, much more about why Pope Benedict XVI stepped down, and how someone whose religious ideology is almost diametrically opposed to his was named his successor as Pope.

Pope John Paul II had an important role in the fight against world Socialism/Communism, and Benedict XVI was a friend and confident of John Paul II. So maybe those who are promoting global Socialism/Communism felt that ‘this time around’ they had to make sure we didn’t have a Pope like John Paul II, or his friend Benedict XVI - who opposed secularism.

[Campion]

In Roman Catholic teaching, is it not possible to be saved by good works outside of Christ, such as other religions?

Nobody is saved apart from the merits of Jesus Christ, and nobody can earn their own salvation on their own by good works. (I am a Catholic, and can easily defend the foregoing from official Catholic teaching documents.)

[bboop]

Well, you can assume that the globalists hated JP2 and B16 and wanted B16 to step down. Was he coerced? Threatened? The rumors are out there. You can wonder, surely, how this heretical Pope was (miraculously) elected and if he is a puppet whose strings the globalists pull.

We all wonder these things.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

The woman, bedecked with a traditional feather headdress, prostrated herself before the tree and a pair of statues of naked pregnant women.

14He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the cypress and the oak, which he strengtheneth for himself among the trees of the forest: he planteth an ash, and the rain doth nourish it.
15Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.

16He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:

17And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.

18They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

19And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? SHALL I FALL DOWN TO THE STOCK OF A TREE?

20He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?

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Pagan ceremony at the Vatican was just the beginning of the irreverent activity taking place at Synod

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Unfortunately, this is a continuation of folding pagan practices, rituals, beliefs, and symbols into Catholicism.

The brown scapular is no different than the feather headdress.

[Biggirl]

This nonsense too shall pass.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"in Roman Catholic teaching, is it not possible to be saved by good works outside of Christ, such as other religions?"

I don't know whee you got this, but you have been misinformed.

You can find Catholic dogmatic statements affirming Jesus as the unique (one and only) savior of the world, in every century of the Church's existence.

In 2000, the Church issued a detailed doctrinal statement -- "Dominus Iesus" (The Lord Jesus) --- specifically repudiating the teachings of some false theologians, claiming that Jesus is just one of many possible means of salvation, or that he only offers salvation to certain people.

This position, the document said, “has no biblical foundation. In fact, the truth of Jesus Christ, Son of God, Lord and only Savior, who through the event of his incarnation, death and resurrection has brought the history of salvation to fulfillment, and which has in him its fullness and center, must be firmly believed as a constant element of the Church’s faith” (par 13).

Anyone who states the opposite, is marketing a line of baloney.

[I want the USA back]

No doubt they want the native people to join the church and to continue with their pagan practices.

That will not turn out well.

[Mrs. Don-o]

And oh! So -— if anybody gets on this thread and contradicts my reply at#12, please say, rather politely, “Baloney.”

[Veto!]

Really terrible. I’m all in favor of planting trees. Lots of trees to replace those cut down in the Amazon jungle and elsewhere. Remember Johnny Appleseed?

But Pachamama is no Johnny Appleseed. What the natives do on their own time is one thing, but the alleged Catholic Church promoting and participating?

Will this start a rash of naked feminazies wearing feathers cluttering up the aisles of churches here?

[Verginius Rufus]

Where is St. Boniface when we need him?

[neverevergiveup]

“This nonsense too shall pass.”

Yes. However, how much hurt and damage will be done, and to how many people, before this happens?

[pbear8]

You are misinformed.

[daniel1212]

In Roman Catholic teaching, is it not possible to be saved by good works outside of Christ, such as other religions? So why would this ceremony bother a pope or other Roman Catholics?

You must assumed that when the CCC states,

"Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification and for the attainment of eternal life (Catechism of the Catholic church, Part 3, Life in Christ, Merit, 2010)

And Trent (not Trump) stated,

"nothing further is wanting to the justified [baptized and faithful], to prevent their being accounted to have, by those very works which have been done in God, fully satisfied the divine law according to the state of this life, and to have truly merited eternal life." (Trent, Chapter XVI; The Sixth Session Decree on justification, 1547)

If anyone says that the good works of the one justified are in such manner the gifts of God that they are not also the good merits of him justified; or that the one justified by the good works that he performs by the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ, whose living member he is, does not truly merit an increase of grace, eternal life, and in case he dies in grace, the attainment of eternal life itself and also an increase of glory, let him be anathema." (Trent, Canons Concerning Justification, Canon 32.

that it means saved by good works, which it does, "by God's grace," but not outside of Christ and the Catholic church (though what being part of it may mean sees debate among RCs) , though Catholicism allows that those ignorant thru no fault of their own may be saved if they somehow find Christ as their Lord and Savior.

That would be contrary to the paganism which was celebrated on Vatican grounds, while the Catholic salvation thru grace by merit gospel is also false.

Which [url=https://peacebyjesuscom.blogspot.com/2019/06/basically-what-is-roman-catholic.html]RC doctrine of salvation [/url], means that he act itself (ex opere operato) of baptism (even without the required personal wholehearted repentant justifying faith: Acts 2:38; 8:36,37) effects regeneration and makes one actually good enough (justified by his own righteousness: causa formalis)  to be with God - until  his remaining  sinful nature manifestly shows he is not, thus resulting in the [url=https://peacebyjesuscom.blogspot.com/2018/10/did-new-testament-church-believe-in.html]false doctrine of RC Purgatory [/url]  in order to become good enough to be with God (and atone for sins).

However, it is heart-purifying regenerating faith such as effects the obedience of baptism (all that we voluntarily choose to do is a result of what we truly believe, at least at the moment) that is counted for righteousness.  (Acts 2:38; 10:43; 15:7-9; Rm. 4:5; Titus 3:5;)

And which evidences faith, and thus those who will believe and obey are promised salvation, (Heb. 5:10) just as those who believe. (Jn. 3:16) Cause and effect must go together, as with forgiveness and healing in cf. Mk. 7:2-16, but the effect is not to be made the cause.

Thus believers are made accepted in the Beloved, and spiritually made to sit with Him in Heaven, (Eph. 1:6; 2:6) on His account, and have access with boldness into the holy of holies in Heaven by His inless shed blood, (Heb. 10:19).

And thus they will go to be with the Lord at death or at His return and the believers resurection, being henceforth forever with the Lord. (Lk. 23:43 [cf. 2Cor. 12:4; Rv. 2:7]; Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17)

And which event is the next transformative event believers looked to in the NT church, that of being conformed to Christ at the resurrection of believers at the coming of the Lord. (2Cor. 5:2,3; 1Cor. 15; 1Jn. 3:2)

And after the Lord's coming is the judgment seat of Christ, with its giving and loss of rewards (Mt. 16:27; 1Cor. 3:8-17; 4:5; Rm. 14:10; 2Cor. 5:10; 1Thes. 2:19; 2Tim. 4:1,8; Rev.11:18; ; 1Pt. 1:7; 5:4; cf. Mt. 13:30,39; 25:31-46; Jn. 5:29; Rev. 20:5,6) based on the quality of the material they used to build the church with.

But the loss (1Cor. 3:14,15) of fruit and rewards (along with the implicit grievous displeasure of the Lord) is the only suffering mentioned for believers after leaving this world (versus purgatory, which has souls suffering upon death). And which loss is not that of personal defects but the fruit of such as providing material for building the Lord's church, and which loss the believer is saved despite of. (1Cor. 3:15)

Hope this too-prolix an explanation will suffice.

[Campion]

Edit for brevity, please.

Good works done by a man in the state of grace are meritorious. That is the clear teaching of scripture.

An unjustified man's works are not. Nobody can merit the grace of justification by his own works or effort. Justification is always the result of God's gracious choice.