Posted on 06/16/2018 8:24:30 AM PDT by The Truth Will Make You Free
I heard the Lord speak, “I have extended an olive branch of peace to the United States of America and will extend Donald Trump’s presidency into a second term by the power of my right hand. What I have done in the White House will happen with every branch of Government in the United States for I will pull out corruption and plant trees of righteousness that will bear much fruit. Even now the ax is laid to the root of these corrupt trees. Every tree which does not bear good fruit will be cut down, pulled out and thrown into the fire! There will come forth new terms filled with peace, branches will grow out of righteous roots.” ...
The Lord spoke to me again, “As a sure sign of these things coming to pass there will be a wave of conservatives elected during the midterm election in November 2018, it will be Breaking News. They will carry the House and the Senate and I will uproot, replant and rebuild the nation.” ...
I saw the House of Representatives stay in the hands of the Republicans and will move much more to a conservative position. I could see into the Senate and saw the Republicans gain 9 seats, those that took their place were considerably more conservative then those who had previously been there.
(Excerpt) Read more at destinyencounters.com ...
Having heard SO many false prophecies over the years; I tend to now ignore EVERY ONE THAT COMES ALONG.
Confirmation bias works both sides of the aisle...
Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
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True. I suppose the poster meant that a Jew was convinced by the alleged evidence in the TaNa"KH to accept the "new testament" (though note that chrstians conventionally assume the truth of the "new testament" from the get-go). But still, to interpret the Prophets in such a way as to make the Torah temporary, when it is the ultimate revelation, is very un-Jewish.
Let's put it this way--historically, Judaism predates chrstianity by at least one thousand years. It thus remains "in possession" until it is something else is proven absolutely and beyond any reasonable doubt. Chrstians have always and only accepted both "testaments" together, and most of them on this forum don't even seem to be able to theoretically and for purposes of the argument put themselves in shoes of people who have known only the "old" for their entire history. I assure you that should any chrstians encounter a figure with supernatural powers who announced a third "testament" they would simply attribute his powers to "satan" and that would be the end of it.
In addition to this is the fact that the Revelation at Sinai is the only self-confirming instance of Divine Revelation in human history, and that the Torah itself at least implies, if not outright states, that it is forever (and not "forever until," as traditional chrstians put it). All the horrible threats recorded in Leviticus and Deuteronomy about faithlessness all insist that faithlessness consists in deviating from the Torah. It says this in black and white. To stretch this into it supposedly being the penalty for "rejecting the messiah" (and there isn't even a commandment about "accepting the messiah" in the first place) is certainly hypocritical.
I know you folks think I'm a horrible person. Most of you have never in your lives heard an argument in favor of Orthodox Judaism. All you have heard is "religious freedom" giving one the right to "rebel" by rejecting J*sus. My point is that it isn't the Jews who rebelled. Certainly the radical revolution in thinking that chrstians insist Jews were support to experience two thousand years ago is something they themselves would never do (since the NT did not exist at that time, please recall that all of chrstianity was "adding to scripture").
The reason I am so "rough" on Fundamentalist Protestants is that they are in a sense my people, practicing religion that never existed until the Protestant Reformation. They deserve better.
I am sorry for my frequent frustration and losses of temper when I myself once thought as they do.
Like other people have said, God also chastises all Christians, which involves judging. That means many Americans.
And as God’s Word says in John 3, the wrath of God abides on those who don’t believe on the Son, and that means many more Americans. Jesus did pay the price for their sins, but only if they accept what He’s done for them.
And because people of a nation are bound together in certain ways (which is the design of God that there be national identities), God does judge nations, just not in exactly the same way He does individuals, and not without still judging individuals. National judgment can be part of personal judgment.
I understand your point about the Torah not being temporary, but everything taken together, including the whole Bible, demonstrates that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and that almost 2,000 years ago, God demonstrated Him to be. That demonstration was through many things, including His goodness, what He revealed through His preaching, the miracles He did, and the actions of those who knew Him and were the beginning of His Church.
First, to truly be a Christian means God has revealed Himself to you. You’ve met Him. That’s part of what you’re missing here about why Christians accept the New Testament. And because of Jesus Christ, knowledge of God has been taken throughout the world, and people of every nation have been brought out of the spiritual darkness and freed from the spiritual bondage of serving demon idols and have come to know and follow God.
And having been a Christian, which includes as I said having known God, and studied the New Testament and what we know as the Old Testament for quite a few years now, I have to say that what’s revealed through Jesus, including in the New Testament, fulfills and illuminates the Old Testament. That is in too many ways to hardly start to get into, but one is what the Old Testament teaches about, in essence, that the just shall live by faith (Habakkuk 2:4) and another is about atonement. Jesus, God’s Son and His Word, dying to atone for the sins of mankind, once and for all, is the ultimate work of God. This is from the Apostle Paul’s letter to the Corinthans, 2 Corinthians:
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Ultimately, only God can reconcile us to Himself. We can never undo sin or its consequences and make things as though the sin never happened, and all of our sin, though it affects ourselves and others, is always against the sinless and holy God. So people can offer an animal sacrifice to God to show we acknowledge our sin, but what we’re acknowledging is that we know God is making the sacrifice to forgive our sin, and that sacrifice He made on our behalf was His Son. That demonstrates His love.
It says in the New Testament that Jesus is the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world. God knew we would sin and need to be reconciled to Him, and being reconciled to Him also means being restored to a right relationship with Him, which means living by faith in Him. Adam and Eve broke that. Rather than trusting God when Satan tempted her to doubt Him, Eve believed Satan over God, and then Adam, when tempted himself, chose to believe and follow Satan over God as well. A restored relationship to God is to live by faith in Him, and that’s what the New Testament is about, and it brings greater light to the Old Testament in doing so. That’s my experience.
But the New Covenant of the Gospel of the Grace of Christ says otherwise in 1 John 2:2, 2 Cor 5:19, the Book of Romans, the Book of Galatians, and pretty much the whole New Testament.
God is the justifier of the ungodly (Romans 4:5).
If you want to bring back the condemnation of the law, your doctrine is totally unscriptural under the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and carries with it a double curse (Gal. 1:8-9).
Scripture calls the ministry of the condemnation of the law, the ministry of death (2 Cor 3:7). We are not to be ministers of the condemnation and death of the law but ministers of reconciliation.
And all things are of God, who has reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and has given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 that is, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.2 Corinthians 5:18-21.
No, so says God’s Word. There’s not a born-again, Bible-believing pastor or group of elders or church now or at any time that would agree with what you say here. What church or group of believers or theology is closest to your beliefs?
“And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” 1 John 2:2
And again, the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus’ sacrificial death paid for all the sins of mankind, and that reassures anyone and everyone who comes to believe in and put their trust in Christ that He died for their sins too, but the Bible just as clearly teaches that if people reject Christ, they’re rejecting His sacrifice on their behalf.
That is equally clear in 2 Corinthians 3, which says God reconciled the world to Himself through Jesus’ death AND THEN SAYS, “Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech (request earnestly, beg) you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.”
So right there in 2 Corinthians 5:20: People STILL have to choose to be reconciled to God. Or do you have some other explanation for 2 Corinthians 5:20?
God made the Way for us in His Son, but we still have to choose to walk it.
[[That demonstration was through many things, including His goodness, what He revealed through His preaching, the miracles He did, and the actions of those who knew Him and were the beginning of His Church.]]
Exactly- through many many things- far too many for it to be mere coincidence- statistically it is impossible that He was the fulfillment of old testament scriptures/prophecies-
The following are just a few of the more than 450 prophesies about Christ
Born of a virgin4
From the lineage of David5
Born in Bethlehem6
Rejected by his own people7
Betrayed by a friend8
Sold for 30 pieces of silver9
Silent before his accusers10
Pierced in his hands and feet11
Crucified with thieves12
Buried in a rich man’s tomb13
Raised from the dead14
The old Testament is confirmed by the New Testament and by the fulfillment of prophecy. The Fulfillment of Prophecy is powerful evidence that confirms the credibility of the old testament. There is simply far too much fulfillment to chalk it up to coincidence or random acts- They were directed, predicted, and fulfilled- hundreds of times- all in one Man- Christ
But even setting aside statistics as a reason to believe- like you said- We Christians have a living ongoing personal knowledge of Christ who talks with us, guides us- and helps us and answers our prayers because we put our faith in Him- This is something an unsaved person can’t know- They aren’t privy to what Christians know and experience on a daily basis. As You mentioned Billions of people all around the world take that leap of faith and find Him to be exactly what the bible says He was- The Messiah- Who died for our sins- so that we would not have to try and fail to keep the law as a means to salvation- for keeping the law is impossible- Thankfully we don’t have to as a means to ‘attain salvation’ We simply have to believe on Him whom God sent
Go back and read what I have posted on this thread. Are you just arguing to be argumentative? In your last post you’ve gone full circle to agreeing with what I have said on this thread.
So back to the point - I agree with this prophetic word that there IS a Tsunami of Salvation coming to America and the world that no one including Satan and his minions will be able to stop although he is trying and will try very hard to stop it. As nothing can stop a tsunami, so nothing will stop what God is about to do. I believe we are about to see possibly the greatest Spiritual Awakening ever seen and the greatest ingathering of souls around the world ever seen in the period of the next few decades, as a fulfillment of Jesus’ prophetic parable in Luke 14:23.
Christ didn’t come 2000 years ago to condemn the world nor does he now, but that the world through him might be saved.
That is so unscriptural.
Scripture is very clear that things will get worse and people will abandon faith in the end.
If all the world’s sins have been dealt with at the cross as some contend, then the Tribulation should not be happening.
Ooops.
I take it, then, that you do not believe in the great tribulation either, eh?
God did not spare Sodom and Gomorrah because of Lot and his wife.
He took them out and then destroyed the city for its sin.
So do you believe that everyone will be saved regardless of whether they choose to follow God or reject Him?
Or do you think they have no choice in being saved?
I’ve been hearing that for YEARS from the NAR /word of faith people.
Still waiting to see some movement in that direction as I watch things in this country go from bad to worse.
Do you think God will bless the abortionists and homosexuals as well since you state their sin is covered?
No consequences for slaughtering the unborn?
Suffice it to say, you got it wrong again there, metmom, and, again, it is off point from this discussion which is about our current dispensation of God's grace offered to all and why the message of God's unstoppable Tsunami of Salvation will be a "compelling" (urging) to come in (Luke 14:23) because the time is so short before he takes his own out of the earth to Heaven to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb and all hell breaks loose here on the earth. God wants to rescue as many as he can before it all comes crashing down - very soon IMO.
At the risk of allowing more grief, I'll venture this: the soon-coming tribulation is a change from the millennia of God's mercy to a relatively short time (seven years) of God's wrath upon those who have continued to refuse Christ's free gift of salvation. But God calls it "a strange work" because God is Love and his mercy "rejoices over judgement". Nevertheless God is also a Judge and this horrific time is coming very soon IMO.
21 For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act. 22 Now therefore be not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord God of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.Isaish 28:21-22.
All the more reason for us to jump in the flow of God's Tsunami of Mercy and Salvation and do our part as ministers of reconciliation to bring in as many as possible before "that great and terrible day of the Lord."
Your reply has me a bit confused, can you point me to where I wrote anything to suggest this?
Post 72.
Just a comment on it.
So first you’re telling us that God will not judge our nation cause the sins of everyone in it have been paid for on the cross, and now you’re telling us that God is sending the Tribulation?
Just what do you think the Tribulation is?
It’s judgment of sin.
You are so contradicting yourself.
I knew it.
What a waste. No, metmom, you’re not paying attention and I’m done holding your hand.
I guess you are a Pharisee after all. Jesus didn’t have much time for Pharisees and neither do I.
Good bye and good luck.
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