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| 03-14-18
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Salvation and Church The teaching of no salvation outside the Church is important and one that must rightly be understood
Msgr. Charles Pope
3/14/2018
Question: I hear the Catholic Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Church. This would seem to condemn most to hell. Or am I missing something? — Name, location withheld
Answer: It is in fact a doctrine of the Church often repeated by the Fathers of the Church and taught formally. However, it must be understood properly.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say by way of explanation:
“‘Outside the Church there is no Salvation.’ ... Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church ... is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence, they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church” (CCC, Nos. 846-847).
This much is sure: Whoever is in heaven was saved by Jesus Christ in and through his Body the Church. But, as we know, there are many barriers to people fully understanding that the Church is the sole and necessary means for salvation, and thus, simply being outside the Church usually does not alone bring condemnation.
God can and, it would seem, does draw others unto himself in ways not always known to us. All of this can console us and bring an understanding that the teaching “outside the Church there is no salvation” is not understood absolutely.
But this consolation must not be the source of letting our missionary zeal wane. While it is possible to be saved beyond the Church, sacraments and explicit faith in Christ, it is much more difficult. Consider the following teaching from the Second Vatican Council:
“Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. ... But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator (cf. Rom 1:21, 25). Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, ‘Preach the Gospel to every creature’ (Mk 16:16), the Church fosters the missions with care and attention” (Lumen Gentium, No. 16).
And therefore, we see that people often are deceived or let themselves be deceived. So, the fact that people can be saved apart from the Church is not a blank check or presumption that they likely will be saved. It must always be our earnest work to evangelize, for many “prefer the darkness” (see Jn 3:19).
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To: Luircin
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You post constant false accusation of a dedicated teacher who is not even here on the thread, in the most cowardly and pernicious manner.
Michael Rood has never taught a single word that is not verbatim from the KJV. All one has to do is remove the italicised lies and confusion from the KJV and you have exactly what Michael teaches.
Why do you hate all who preach the word?
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581
posted on
04/26/2018 3:47:14 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: Luircin
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His work has proven that he is a called teacher, while your posting history here proves you to be called by the adversary. You do nothing but his evil work here.
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582
posted on
04/26/2018 3:50:48 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: editor-surveyor; boatbums
Michael Rood has never taught a single word that is not verbatim from the KJV.
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LOL.
The entire book of Galatians—as boatbums showed upthread—and your torturing the English language doesn’t change that.
And unlike you, Rood, I actually read the original Greek of Galatians. And that proves even more that Rood is so full of crap that his farts come out his ears.
583
posted on
04/26/2018 3:51:16 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: editor-surveyor
His work has proven that he is a called teacher,
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ROFL!
More people call themselves Jedi than follow Rood’s little group of imbeciles.
Oh, and he still preaches contrary to the Word of God himself and your whining can’t change that.
How’s that prove he’s ‘a called teacher’?
584
posted on
04/26/2018 3:53:36 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: Luircin
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The simple fact that you don’t understand Galatians shows your mind to be the playgrond of the adversary.
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585
posted on
04/26/2018 3:53:49 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: editor-surveyor
My point is in what follows.
Night before last my cat captured a large bird. The cat brought the bird onto the back deck with the poor creature screaming in pain as the cat clamped down harder on it's breast and wing. My fiancé dismissed it all with 'that's Nature. Cats kill things, and things kill cats.'
1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. ... It is the way ... satan has already got you in his jaws, holding you for destruction with the teeth of a faker, a false teacher. And sadly, you are enjoying the attention, for now.
In the 14th Chapter of John's Gospel, no less than GOD with us introduced the Rapture of His believers. I can understand why you do not want to read HIS words, for they are like a two edged sword, cutting deeply into the coating of cultic lies you have swallowed like honey.
God introduced us to the Rapture, and iterated it more with the teaching from Paul in 1 Thess 4 and the letter to the Corinthians. Others reading along in this thread may not be familiar with the passages, so I post them for them. You? Not so much. .
586
posted on
04/26/2018 3:53:55 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: editor-surveyor
We hate those who preach damnable heresy and lead others astray. Your teacher qualifies as such
587
posted on
04/26/2018 3:55:08 PM PDT
by
Mom MD
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To: Luircin
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You make a fool of yourself constantly.
Rood’s teaching is followed by more than 20 million in the americas, and many millions more in Taiwan.
You’re jealous and deeply pathetic.
588
posted on
04/26/2018 3:58:06 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: Mom MD
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You speak of things you don’t know nor understand.
Your generalizations are typical devil-speak.
Get creative.
589
posted on
04/26/2018 3:59:46 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: editor-surveyor
The simple fact that you dont understand Galatians shows your mind to be the playgrond of the adversary.
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The simple fact that your only arguments are to claim that the Apostle actually meant the exact opposite of what he said. Oh, and fantastically lame ad hominem attacks.
When you’re facing the Lord’s judgment for your sins, remember this little conversation, about how you closed your ears to truth. You’ll have an eternity to regret your choice to make a cult, Rood.
590
posted on
04/26/2018 4:01:01 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: editor-surveyor
You are the one drowning in ignorance my friend. I wish you well.
591
posted on
04/26/2018 4:02:10 PM PDT
by
Mom MD
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To: editor-surveyor; Mom MD
The human invention called the church is the mystery of iniquity. I marvel how you rant and rave over trivial things - that's one of the marks of a cult. Do you really want to major on the minors?
1577 ekklēsía(from 1537 /ek, "out from and to" and 2564 /kaléō, "to call") properly, people called out from the world and to God, the outcome being the Church (the mystical body of Christ) i.e. the universal (total) body of believers whom God calls out from the world and into His eternal kingdom. [The English word "church" comes from the Greek word kyriakos, "belonging to the Lord" (kyrios). 1577 /ekklēsía ("church") is the root of the terms "ecclesiology" and "ecclesiastical."](http://biblehub.com/greek/1577.htm)
592
posted on
04/26/2018 4:06:42 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: editor-surveyor
Your insults are repetitive and uncreative. Your arguments are nothing more than ad hominems and assertions without evidence.
And just because I’ve decided to argue on YOUR level...
You’re also demon-possessed, insult the ACTUAL servants of the Lord, and sniff Satan’s farts daily.
593
posted on
04/26/2018 4:08:24 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: Luircin
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Yeshua’s apostles preached the same message as he did, thus your twisting of Galatians has shortened your eternity .
Hebrews.4
[1] Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2] For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Get it?
“For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them...”
They got the same gospel at Sinai that the NT apostles preached: Torah.
The sweet lies that you're clinging to have put you in the same boat as the unbelievers that perished in the wilderness.
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594
posted on
04/26/2018 5:07:37 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: Luircin
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No, you’ve definitely remained down at your own level!
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595
posted on
04/26/2018 5:09:16 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Roods teaching is followed by more than 20 million in the americas, and many millions more in Taiwan.
No doubt he told you this and you believed him.
Did you verify it independently?
Heck, have you ever independently verify *anything* #fakefabbi says??
To: aMorePerfectUnion; editor-surveyor
Roods teaching is followed by more than 20 million in the americas, and many millions more in Taiwan.
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Now I don’t care who you are, that’s funny.
E-s claims that #fakerabbi has a following of over 5% of the population of the United States. This claim is that Rood’s following is literally the second largest denomination in the United States. Bigger than the Southern Baptists, bigger than the Mormons.
Funny, you think that if his #bedsheetrabbi had THAT big a following, the US Census would have something to say about it.
If e-s has to either A: lie so blatantly, or B: believe such an outlandish claim, that really tells you everything you need to know about him.
He’s more a source of entertainment than anything right now.
598
posted on
04/26/2018 5:46:14 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: Luircin
It is truly astounding. Sounds like a man crush.
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