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| 03-14-18
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Salvation and Church The teaching of no salvation outside the Church is important and one that must rightly be understood
Msgr. Charles Pope
3/14/2018
Question: I hear the Catholic Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Church. This would seem to condemn most to hell. Or am I missing something? — Name, location withheld
Answer: It is in fact a doctrine of the Church often repeated by the Fathers of the Church and taught formally. However, it must be understood properly.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say by way of explanation:
“‘Outside the Church there is no Salvation.’ ... Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church ... is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence, they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church” (CCC, Nos. 846-847).
This much is sure: Whoever is in heaven was saved by Jesus Christ in and through his Body the Church. But, as we know, there are many barriers to people fully understanding that the Church is the sole and necessary means for salvation, and thus, simply being outside the Church usually does not alone bring condemnation.
God can and, it would seem, does draw others unto himself in ways not always known to us. All of this can console us and bring an understanding that the teaching “outside the Church there is no salvation” is not understood absolutely.
But this consolation must not be the source of letting our missionary zeal wane. While it is possible to be saved beyond the Church, sacraments and explicit faith in Christ, it is much more difficult. Consider the following teaching from the Second Vatican Council:
“Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. ... But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator (cf. Rom 1:21, 25). Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, ‘Preach the Gospel to every creature’ (Mk 16:16), the Church fosters the missions with care and attention” (Lumen Gentium, No. 16).
And therefore, we see that people often are deceived or let themselves be deceived. So, the fact that people can be saved apart from the Church is not a blank check or presumption that they likely will be saved. It must always be our earnest work to evangelize, for many “prefer the darkness” (see Jn 3:19).
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To: Luircin
I stated my belief based on the words and teaching of Jesus and handed down through His Church.
You argue based on your personal opinion which is not infallible or correct.
If you or others do not understand or accept, then perhaps you need to challenge your ability to truly understand God’s Word.
If you want specific information about God’s commandments and His teachings in the Catholic Church, there is plenty of information available. Some of it has been posted here and other places on the web.
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posted on
04/22/2018 1:54:40 PM PDT
by
ADSUM
To: infool7; aMorePerfectUnion
Burn. Interesting word choice. Is that what you guys like to do?
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Translation: THEY BEAT ME IN A DEBATE REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Go read your Bible.
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posted on
04/22/2018 1:55:56 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: ADSUM
Uh-huh, uh-huh. I’ve only heard the condescending attitude dozens of times in just the last week alone.
If you know the Bible so well, then why aren’t you arguing USING the Bible?
All I see is argument by condescending attitude and ‘because I say so.’ You have yet to show how modern-day Romanism is at all like the church of the Apostles, OR holds to the genuine Apostolic teaching.
And ‘WE WUZ FIRST REEEEEEEE’ is not a good argument, especially since I know that the Apostles would be horrified at what’s tolerated and covered-up in the Vatican and would excommunicate the entire city in half a second.
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posted on
04/22/2018 1:59:21 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: Luircin
Did you notice the subtle trick of conflation used by “7”? In the Creed ‘catholic’ is not capitalized since it refers to All believers in Jesus as their Savior, yet the ‘Catholic’ is used when not citing the creed. This is a ‘practice to deceive’ used by a few of the Catholic apologists, to try and silence the holy catholic apologists not bowing to the Institution of Catholicism.
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posted on
04/22/2018 2:02:55 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: Luircin
If what you and your five pals call what you do here on FR rises to the level of debate in anyone’s mind except your own I would be sincerely surprised.
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posted on
04/22/2018 2:08:26 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: infool7
If what you and your five pals call what you do here on FR rises to the level of debate in anyones mind except your own I would be sincerely surprised.
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Says the fool who isn’t posting anything but personal attacks and wouldn’t know a Bible if it bit him on the buttocks.
Lol.
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posted on
04/22/2018 2:09:43 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: MHGinTN
I did notice. That annoys me to no end, let me tell you!
There’s a reason that I endeavor to refer to them as Romanists just to keep THAT bit of confusion down.
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posted on
04/22/2018 2:11:01 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: Luircin
To: Luircin
If you know the Bible so well, then why arent you arguing USING the Bible?
Someone referred to this poster as a priest.
If so, theres your answer. Little actual study of scripture is required in Roman seminaries.
To: Luircin
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posted on
04/22/2018 2:27:17 PM PDT
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
To: Luircin
Personal Attacks?
I have only been trying to get some baseline agreement in the Nicene creed, Ten commandments and Precepts of the One True Holy Catholic and and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus. So far I have received only luke warm admission to the first part of the creed.
It’s not about winning, losing or burning anyone. I think you are taking all this far too personally and perhaps you should stick to cacus threads that do not hurt your feelings.
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posted on
04/22/2018 2:50:49 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: Luircin
Yeah, seriously, and then they claim that its the Protestants who are Pelegian. Jeez. Anyone who would assert and believe that with a straight face needs some psychotropic medication....or a dictionary. ;o)
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posted on
04/22/2018 2:51:28 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: MHGinTN
Isn’t it a customary courtesy here at FR to ping the people you mention in a post or has decorum been abandoned?
I kind of like the moniker “7” though
7
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posted on
04/22/2018 2:58:18 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: metmom
Amen! Postionally we are home and one day we will physically be there also.
For we walk by faith, not by sight. We are confident, then, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. So we aspire to please Him, whether we are here in this body or away from it. (II Cor. 5:7-9)
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posted on
04/22/2018 3:01:01 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: infool7
To: Steelfish
Sorry not Roman Catholic and cannot stand the many heresies the Roman church teaches. However I will be in Heaven. As will you if you trust Christ and not man made works for your salvation. Unfortunately if you do you will go against the teachings of your sect.
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posted on
04/22/2018 3:16:29 PM PDT
by
Mom MD
( .)
To: boatbums
Or to put down the incense they are huffing
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posted on
04/22/2018 3:17:36 PM PDT
by
Mom MD
( .)
To: infool7
Oh no no no, you can’t play the victim when half your posts on this thread have been personal attacks.
I mostly find it interesting that you resort to ad hominems and then act surprised when people mock you back.
You’d get a lot more respect if you argued from the Bible, chapter and verse, instead of calling people fools and trying to mindread their motives.
But because you have not done so, you should expect equal disrespect returned to you.
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posted on
04/22/2018 3:18:32 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: infool7
He has a few more than 5 friends here
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posted on
04/22/2018 3:19:00 PM PDT
by
Mom MD
( .)
To: ADSUM; Luircin
I stated my belief based on the words and teaching of Jesus and handed down through His Church. You stated your belief based on the words and teaching of Jesus AS you perceive was handed down through the Roman Catholic church....you mean.
You argue based on your personal opinion which is not infallible or correct.
Versus your argument based on your personal opinion of what has been handed down to you by the Roman Catholic church which claims to be infallible and correct.
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posted on
04/22/2018 3:19:46 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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