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Bergoglio's Reform Was Written Before. By Martin Luther
L'Espresso ^ | 04-13-2018 | Roberto Pertici

Posted on 04/16/2018 5:46:02 PM PDT by NRx

THE END OF “ROMAN CATHOLICISM?”

by Roberto Pertici

1. At this point in the pontificate of Francis, I believe it can be reasonably maintained that this marks the twilight of that imposing historical reality which can be defined as “Roman Catholicism.”

This does not mean, properly understood, that the Catholic Church is coming to an end, but that what is fading is the way in which it has historically structured and represented itself in recent centuries.

It seems evident to me, in fact, that this is the plan being deliberately pursued by the “brain trust” that has clustered around Francis: a plan understood both as an extreme response to the crisis in relations between the Church and the modern world, and as a precondition for a renewed ecumenical course together with the other Christian confessions, especially the Protestant.

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2. By “Roman Catholicism” I mean that grand historical, theological, and juridical construction which has its origin in the Hellenization (in terms of the philosophical aspect” and Romanization (in terms of the political-juridical aspect) of primitive Christianity and is based on the primacy of the successors of Peter, as emerges from the crisis of the late ancient world and from the theoretical systematization of the Gregorian age (“Dictatus Papae”).

Over the subsequent centuries, the Church also established its own internal legal system, canon law, looking to Roman law as its model. And this juridical element contributed to gradually shaping a complex hierarchical organization with precise internal norms that regulate the life both of the “bureaucracy of celibates” (an expression of Carl Schmitt) that manages it and of the laity who are part of it.

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To: Mom MD

Probably.

And my best guess is that after a lifetime of being told to submit to the Pope, they can’t handle a Pope who’s outright heretical.

And so they have to blame their boogeyman the Protestants, because the only other option is that the fault lies within Catholicism. Which is horrible to them, because they were taught that Catholicism is perfect for their entire lives.


41 posted on 04/19/2018 9:02:27 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: kearnyirish2; Luircin
If faith alone, coupled with the death of Christ on the cross, ensures my salvation, why would I ever attend church or do a good deed? Even worse, why WOULDN’T I DO EVIL DEEDS?

Because the born/again born from above believer is now a child of God and has a new nature and WANTS to please God and live a holy pure life out of gratitude for what God has done in him.

He does it not to earn salvation, but out of a desire to glorify God in everything he does.

Anyone who who thinks that salvation by grace through faith is a license to sin has NO clue what redemption and the new birth are all about and has clearly not been born again.

42 posted on 04/20/2018 1:06:48 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom; Luircin
Anyone who who thinks that salvation by grace through faith is a license to sin has NO clue what redemption and the new birth are all about and has clearly not been born again.

You are correct MM. Not a clue. Anyone who thinks they can use their “salvation experience,” as an excuse for wickedness, has about a 99.9% chance of hearing Jesus say to them, “I never knew you.” They are only lying to themselves.

43 posted on 04/20/2018 4:37:44 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: ealgeone

Francis?

Hell; he’d oust ANYBODY if he had the POWER to do so!


44 posted on 04/20/2018 4:48:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: kearnyirish2
Ephesians 2: “For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus TO DO GOOD WORKS, which God prepared in advance for us to do.” (emphasis mine)

Did you forget a bit MORE of your 'emphasis?


...for us to do; so that we attain salvation.

45 posted on 04/20/2018 4:51:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Luircin
And my best guess is that after a lifetime of being told to submit to the Pope, they can’t handle a Pope who’s outright heretical.

Yeah; they claim that; but just what HERESY has been shown?

Seems to me that just HATE his POLITICS!

46 posted on 04/20/2018 4:52:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Luircin

I think Protestants often do great works; I also know Protestant friends growing up didn’t have to attend services on Sundays while we Catholics had to go to Mass (because of Christ’s words at the Last Supper).


47 posted on 04/20/2018 5:11:46 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Elsie

OK; you made my point - good works attain salvation. Thank you.


48 posted on 04/20/2018 5:13:41 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

There is nothing at the Last Supper than mandates either the Mass or attendance.


49 posted on 04/20/2018 7:21:53 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

I guess “do this in memory of me” was just a suggestion, not a command. That is what is “done in memory of Him” at Mass.

Interpret it as you’d like; seems fairly clear to me.


50 posted on 04/20/2018 7:24:46 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

And I know Catholics who only attend mass on Easter and Christmas, and Protestants who are in the pews for every single service. Comparing the most faithful to the least faithful does not a good argument make.

I don’t know about other Protestants, but every Lutheran church I ever attended made a point of emphasizing how important worship and Holy Communion are.


51 posted on 04/20/2018 7:32:06 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: kearnyirish2; Elsie

OK; you made my point - good works attain salvation. Thank you.

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I think you missed the point.

The words ‘So that we attain salvation’ are NOT in Ephesians and NOT part of the quoted passage.


52 posted on 04/20/2018 7:35:17 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: kearnyirish2
I guess “do this in memory of me” was just a suggestion, not a command. That is what is “done in memory of Him” at Mass.

yes...do this in memory of Me....it is not a re-sacrifice of the Cross where the priest calls Jesus down from heaven and renders Him on the altar to be offered up again and again.

53 posted on 04/20/2018 8:18:14 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Luircin

I’ve only been to one Protestant church (for a wedding) and there was some lady playing priest. Wasn’t reminiscent of the Last Supper at all...


54 posted on 04/20/2018 12:03:40 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

So you’re making judgments about ALL non-Catholics because of ONE experience?


55 posted on 04/20/2018 12:08:14 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: kearnyirish2
...we Catholics had to go to Mass (because of Christ’s words at the Last Supper).

Uh; what words are these?

56 posted on 04/20/2018 12:32:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: kearnyirish2
I guess “do this in memory of me” was just a suggestion, not a command.

You'll need to explain to me what this is.

57 posted on 04/20/2018 12:33:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone
yes...do this in memory of Me...

Perhaps YOU will have to explain to me (and any lurkers) just what this refers to.

58 posted on 04/20/2018 12:34:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: kearnyirish2
Wasn’t reminiscent of the Last Supper at all...

Uh...

Why do you think it should it have been?

59 posted on 04/20/2018 12:35:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: kearnyirish2
I think Protestants often do great works; I also know Protestant friends growing up didn’t have to attend services on Sundays while we Catholics had to go to Mass (because of Christ’s words at the Last Supper).

There is no requirement by God anywhere in Scripture that we must attend church on Sunday or it is a sin.

That is a fabrication by man.

60 posted on 04/20/2018 2:36:27 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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