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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“no mass in Scripture as practiced today”

There was no Bible either as we have today.

“no rosary in Scripture”

Most of the prayer’s words are there. There is no “Sinner’s Prayer” or Altar Call, however. And no Sola scriptura or Sola fide (except when rejected by St. James as an error).

“no prayers to departed saints in Scripture”

How many departed saints were there by A.D. 90? Not that many. There were also no Protestants, no Protestant doctrines/heresies and no stupid anti-Catholics posting on the non-existent internet either.

Learn from that.


14 posted on 11/28/2017 1:51:29 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998
Most of the prayer’s words are there.

Yes, but what's not there is what nullifies it. It only takes a little false teaching mixed in with Truth to render it useless.

There is no “Sinner’s Prayer”

"But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, the sinner!' Luke 18:13 NASB

Sure sounds like a sinner's prayer to me.

or Altar Call, however.

37Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?” 38Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39“For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.” 40And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation!” 41So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls. 42They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Acts 2:37-42 NASB

Sure sounds like an altar call.

15 posted on 11/28/2017 2:00:49 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: vladimir998
How many departed saints were there by A.D. 90? Not that many.

What do you base this claim upon?

Do you know the death rates of Christians at this time?

16 posted on 11/28/2017 2:02:16 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: vladimir998; aMorePerfectUnion
There was no Bible either as we have today.

But there was the Scripture that was compiled to make the Bible so your argument falls flat. It has no substance or basis because the SCRIPTURE that makes up the Bible WAS in existence.

18 posted on 11/28/2017 2:28:50 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: vladimir998
How many departed saints were there by A.D. 90? Not that many.

How do you know? Were you there and doing a head count?

19 posted on 11/28/2017 2:29:59 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: vladimir998
Learn from that.

Sure vlad.

22 posted on 11/28/2017 2:40:45 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: vladimir998
And no Sola scriptura or Sola fide (except when rejected by St. James as an error).

Paul disagrees with you...but I think you know that.

New Testament writers had an expectation that true faith will produce fruit for the kingdom.

Christ said,

11“Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves.

12“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.

13“Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14“If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.

15“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

John 14:11-15 NASB

What were His commandments?

“ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ 38“This is the great and foremost commandment. 39“The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ 40“On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.” Matthew 37-40 NASB

Paul explains in this passage the principle of coming to Christ through only faith. He calls this coming to God through faith the free gift. If it's free, there's nothing you can do to earn it. IT'S FREE.

We come to Christ through faith in Him and Him alone.

1Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

2through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.

3And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;

4and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope;

5and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

6For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.

7For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die.

8But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

10For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

11And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

12Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—

13for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

15But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.

16The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification.

17For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

18So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.

19For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

20The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

21so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 5:1-21 NASB

55 posted on 11/28/2017 4:29:59 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: vladimir998
(“no mass in Scripture as practiced today”)
There was no Bible either as we have today.

There was no book with gilded pages but the written scriptures were there...All over the place...And they included every thing a person needs to come to Jesus and get saved...

(“no rosary in Scripture”)
Most of the prayer’s words are there.

Most of the words of 'Mein Kampf' as well the 'Hobbits' can be found in the scriptures as well...So what's your point???

There is no “Sinner’s Prayer” or Altar Call, however.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Luk_18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

There's the altar call and there's the sinner's prayer...

And no Sola scriptura or Sola fide (except when rejected by St. James as an error).

Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

And that life is called salvation...

1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

We know that we have eternal life from reading and believing the scriptures, ALONE...That's God's message to us...

Act 13:26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

The word of this salvation is the scriptures...

Act_13:49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.

The bible was everywhere...

Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Philip preached to the Eunuch using the book of Isaiah...SCRIPTURE ALONE...And the Eunuch became saved...No rosary, no eucharist...

Sola Scripture is all over the scriptures...You don't need to find the word 'alone' to know this...

(“no prayers to departed saints in Scripture”)
How many departed saints were there by A.D. 90? Not that many.

All the apostles save one...And no one prayed to them...By 50 A.D. there were thousands upon thousands of Christians and by 90 A.D. you can bet there were more thousands upon thousands saints who were departed souls...And not a single case of anyone praying to one of them...

There were also no Protestants, no Protestant doctrines/heresies

All the bible doctrines are Protestant doctrines...Back then the Christians were protesting the Pharisees which are the forerunners of the Catholic religion...

and no stupid anti-Catholics posting on the non-existent internet either.

For two reasons...There was no internet and there are no stupid anti-Catholics...

You're batting zero so far...Keep trying...

84 posted on 11/28/2017 5:36:56 PM PST by Iscool
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