Posted on 06/27/2017 4:25:56 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress
We are going to go through this book in a very slow fashion - no hurry.
This subject is completely a matter of faith. Those that reject or do not possess a particular preference for the King James Bible are welcome to visit and participate - but this is not an argument thread. I am not responsible to convince anyone against his or her will.
Either you have faith in a God that is able to preserve His Word or you do not - but you are not going to convince us to reject our faith that the King James Bible is the ONLY Bible that God is blessing for the English Speaking people. And He has been doing it for the past 406 years
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Your just an outright liar with NO textual background of which you speak. You rely strictly on what others write in books, but have no education whatsoever in the Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic texts.
Don't bother responding.
I don't have time for arrogant liars like you.
I answered the memory question above . . . and I also answered you in the previous post to this one.
We are all Bibles - the only Bibles that some will ever read. Faith is a personal relationship with the God of the universe - not a hierarchy that decides what I can believe and what I can present as important to me.
The more Bible that is in me the more that can come out of me when the Spirit chooses to bring things to my memory at the right occasions.
I would not be hiding much Word in my heart without the supernatural hand of God upon the words.
The English Bible corrects the Greek - and listen to scholars . . . every time they see a word used they simply say it means something else - and when the same verse comes up again - it means something else. That is how they dazzle us with brilliance.
Thank God for that, we still have Christians who believe the Word of God and don't try to change it when they disagree with it.
>>>I don’t have time for arrogant liars like you. <<<
Didn’t take long for the angry Alexandrian cultists to lose their religion, did it?
Here is an example of attacking the virgin birth (and by extension Jesus’ deity)
“And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it” (Luke 2:43) KJB
ASV: and when they had fulfilled the days, as they were returning, the boy Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and his parents knew it not;
RSV; and when the feast was ended, as they were returning, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. His parents did not know it,
CEV: After Passover his parents left ...
NAB: After they had completed its days, as they wree returnig, the boy Jesus remained behind in Jerusalem, but his parents did not know it.
NIV: After the Feast was over, while his parents were returning home...
NKJV footnote “NU And His parents.” What makes these versions much worse is the way that they deal with verse 33 where they truly show their cards and actually translate father in place of Joseph.
ASV: And his father and his mother were marvelling at the things which were spoken concerning him;
RSV: And his father and his mother marveled at what was said about him;
NIV: The child’s father and mother ...
NAB: The child’s father and mother ...
The Message: Jesus’ father and mother ...
NKJV footnote NU And His father and mother.
I have never met street preachers or open air evangelists with anything but a KJB in their hands. Maybe someone else has.
For many years as missionaries in Asia, the strongest, boldest Gospel-preaching missionaries we ever came across, when dealing in English, were using the KJB. The most worldly and weakest in their fidelity to the terms of the Gospel of the grace of God used versions produced since 1950, especially.
On social media and even here on FR, spiritual and other positions are never stated so strongly as they are when under-girded by the words of the KJB Text. When people quote a modern version to support a worthwhile argument, we often wonder, “Why did they use that mamby-pamby, milk toast version when they could have used the superior strength of the KJB.
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The bottom line is, will Christians embrace the 1611 Authorized Version as their final authority or will they appeal to the dictates of human tradition?
So is it "completely a matter of faith" that Christians who do not subscribe to the King James only nonsense are following human tradition, or are you trying to sneak in supposed facts under the guise of "faith"?
Thank you for your service on the mission field, brother! and God bless your testimony of the KJB!!!
KJB
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
RSV
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, a young woman shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Imman'u-el.
Woman or virgin?
I’m saying in a very weak manner what Paul said before . . .
“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ” (Colossians 2:8).
One only needs to know the most basic rudiments of Westcott and Hort to know that they do not want to use anything that came from those two Satan-worshipers.
Thanks for the reference. The KJV is the translation I most use. I was weaned on the KJV. Nevertheless, the KJV was written in 1611, so it hardly reflects 21st century English.
Unless we're reading original OT and NT documents or sources, which are Chaldean, Aramaic, Massoretic, Hebrew, Greek - we are reading a translation. Even original sources can have more than one meaning, which at times are clarified by tradition. By tradition, I point mostly to Jewish rabbinical understanding of a scripture's meanings, which has been passed down through thousands of years.
Let's take for example Daniel 3:25. The KJV translates part of this verse as "Son of God". The Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon transalates those same words to, "son of gods", as does the Jewish (non-Christian) bible, the NIV and other Christian bibles.
Lost in translation can be particularly true when reading words translated from Chaldean, Aramaic, Massoretic, Hebrew, Greek and from men who lived in cultures foreign to our own.
Scripture is not an end in itself. Unless the Word becomes flesh in us, it is just words. Many years ago, a dear sister in the Lord told me that it's not a rote bible verse that's important but rather the Spirit of that Word that dwells in our heart.
Thankfully for us, it is the Holy Spirit of God that explains Scripture to us poor uneducated fundamentalists that trust in their King James Bibles.
I have no problem with the English of the KJB and words that are hard to understand are usually defined for us in the passage itself.
There are no originals anywhere except perhaps in heaven where they are being watched over - but we do have a God that promised to preserve his word unto ALL generations. I believe that includes us in this what appears may well be the final generation of this present dispensation.
Yes, I do use faith in the KJB as a “test of fellowship.”
I thought KJV only was a myth.
Interesting.
>>This is why the Textus Receptus, the source of the King James Bible, is the only one trusted and was the basis for God’s preserved Word for the English-speaking people.
POPPYCOCK!
>>God has permitted me the treasure of memorizing the Pauline epistles so that I can quote each book from beginning to end .
Well aren’t you a proud little Christian. But pride goeth before destruction (Proverbs 16:18), so WATCH YOUR STEP!
>>I can’t help that that offends folks that would rather be their own ‘final authorities’ over God - I will stand on my conviction.
So your conviction is NOT your own “final authority”? I see!
If you say so . . . God bless.
I don’t believe we would have any convictions at all if it were not for the Word of God and Spirit of God that puts them in our heart.
“For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe” (I Thessalonians 2:13).
>>Thank God for that, we still have Christians who believe the Word of God and don’t try to change it when they disagree with it.
And thank God we still have countless Christians who viciously disagree with one another about precisely what the Word of God is, even among those who maintain that the KJV is the only perfect version, ever since 1611 that is!
>> On social media and even here on FR, spiritual and other positions are never stated so strongly as they are when under-girded by the words of the KJB Text. When people quote a modern version to support a worthwhile argument, we often wonder, “Why did they use that mamby-pamby, milk toast version when they could have used the superior strength of the KJB.
Of course. And how anyone was saved prior to 1611 is beyond me!
Deuteronomy 18:18-19
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
Jesus is the Prophet being spoken about here, notice the capital "P" in Prophet?
Now if the words that Jesus spoke to us were not translated perfectly or if they were not transmitted correctly how can God possibly require anything from anyone who does not hearken to His words?
I mean if there are mistakes in God's word, wouldn't people be justified in saying, "Well, God Your Word had errors in it, we didn't know what was true and what was false. Your word wasn't given to us the way you spoke it and we didn't even get all the words You spoke, so God you can't hold Your words against us, too bad for You Lord"
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