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To: amorphous; Ezekial; metmom

Studied the Bible from Catholic school though several readings and decades as an adult Christian before this interesting item came to my attention.

At the beginning of Matthew 1 and Luke 3:23 are 2 different genealogies for Jesus - he had inheritance by blood through Mary and legally through his adoptive father Joseph.


12 posted on 03/21/2017 7:12:49 PM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels; amorphous; Ezekial; metmom
I believe there is indeed a mistake in the genealogy on Mary's side. There is no connection to David thru his adoptive father, Joseph. Mary's father's name was Joseph as well, IIRC, therein lies a possibility of confusion.

If you read the accounts in the scriptures I've listed above ( they're not in the KJV, and I'm repeating this from memory, so please don't hold me to complete accuracy ), Mary was a virgin all of her life. She was raised in the temple until the age of 12 or 14 when the priests, afraid of having a young woman roaming the temple and the problems that might cause, gave her to Joseph, a very righteous man and widower of approximately 90 years of age, at the time. Yeshua's siblings were all from Joseph's first wife, according to texts listed above.

Mary thru the Holy Spirit conceived around 14-16 years of age. Again, memory fails. Joseph died at well over 100 years of age, but before the Crucifixion. Yeshua was a young man when Joseph died, and at his side when he passed.

13 posted on 03/21/2017 7:49:59 PM PDT by amorphous
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To: BrandtMichaels; All
I rechecked the years. This from the apocryphal Gospel of James (Infancy Gospel of James listed above). Btw, Mary's parents were Saint Joachim and Saint Anne.

Mary went to the temple at three years of age:

VII. 1 "And to the child her months were added: and the child became two years old. And Joakim said: Let us bring her up to the temple of the Lord that we may pay the promise which we promised; lest the Lord require it of us (lit. send to us), and our gift become unacceptable. And Anna said: Let us wait until the third year, that the child may not long after her father or mother. And Joakim said: Let us wait."

Mary was given to Joseph at around 12 yo:

VII 2 And when she was twelve years old, there was a council of the priests, saying: Behold Mary is become twelve years old in the temple of the Lord. What then shall we do with her? lest she pollute the sanctuary of the Lord. And they said to the high priest: You stand over the altar of the Lord. Enter in and pray concerning her: And whatsoever the Lord shall reveal to you, that let us do.

At sixteen she became pregnant with Jesus/Yeshua:

Who am I, Lord, that all the generations of the earth do bless me? 8 And she abode three months with Elizabeth, and day by day her womb grew: and Mary was afraid and departed to her house and hid herself from the children of Israel. Now she was sixteen years old when these mysteries came to pass.

14 posted on 03/21/2017 8:23:19 PM PDT by amorphous
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To: BrandtMichaels; Ezekiel
Concerning the genealogy Matt. 1, (NIV):

12 After the exile to Babylon:
Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,
Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
13 Zerubbabel the father of Abihud,
Abihud the father of Eliakim,
Eliakim the father of Azor,
14 Azor the father of Zadok,
Zadok the father of Akim,
Akim the father of Elihud,
15 Elihud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.

According to some scholars, one of which is Nehemia Gordon, a Karaite Scholar, over two dozen Hebrew Matthews have been discovered. In two of the oldest manuscripts of the Hebrew Matthew, verse 16 linage above reads, "Yoseph avi Miriam" - Yoseph the father of Miriam of whom was born Yeshua.

From the apocryphal Gospel of James upstream, Mary's father is Joakim. In Matthew, it's Yoseph, or Yoseph ben Jacob (Yaakov), so in the apocryphal Gospel of James there is some discrepancy - but perhaps explainable?


Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.


IMO, ONLY allows for a blood decedent, fulfilled through Mariam/Mary.

15 posted on 03/21/2017 9:43:27 PM PDT by amorphous
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