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The Humility of Jesus' Self-Emptying
Grace to You.org ^ | 1997 | John MacArthur, Grace Community Church

Posted on 03/21/2017 9:16:13 AM PDT by metmom

“But emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men” (Philippians 2:7).

As part of His humble descent from Heaven to earth, Jesus set aside the exercise of His divine privileges.

The next step in Jesus’ pattern of humility as He came to earth and lived among mankind was His emptying of Himself. But Scripture is clear that while on earth our Lord claimed to be God: “He who has seen Me has seen the Father” (John 14:9). At no time did He stop being God.

The Greek word for “emptied” gives us the theological term kenosis, the doctrine of Christ’s self-emptying. The kenosis basically reminds us of what we saw in yesterday’s lesson: Jesus’ humble refusal to cling to His advantages and privileges in Heaven. The Son of God, who has a right to everything and is fully satisfied within Himself, voluntarily emptied Himself.

We have already noted that Jesus did not empty Himself of His deity, but He did lay aside certain prerogatives. For one thing, He gave up His heavenly glory. That’s why, in anticipation of His return to the Father, Christ prayed, “Glorify Thou Me together with Thyself, Father, with the glory which I ever had with Thee before the world was” (John 17:5).

Jesus also relinquished His independent authority and completely submitted Himself to the Father’s will: “Not as I will, but as Thou wilt” (Matt. 26:39).

During His time on earth, Christ also voluntarily limited the use and display of His divine attributes. One good illustration of this concerned His omniscience, His knowledge of all things. In teaching about the end-times and His second coming, Jesus said, “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone” (Matt. 24:36).

Jesus’ self-emptying demonstrates a wonderful aspect of the gospel. Unlike man-centered, works-oriented religions, the biblical gospel has God’s Son willingly yielding His privileges to sacrifice Himself for sinners like us.

Suggestions for Prayer

Pray that you would become more appreciative of the sacrificial humility Jesus Christ exercised on your behalf.

For Further Study

Scripture does not record a lot about Jesus’ boyhood. But the account we do have verifies His emptying. Read Luke 2:39-52. What does verse 47 imply about Jesus’ nature? How do verses 51-52 exemplify His emptying?


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To: amorphous
The Book of Jasher is also contained in the volume above, mentioned at least twice in the KJV:

Then why didn't the JEWS include it in the OT?

Or even the ROMANS in the NT!!

41 posted on 03/22/2017 5:14:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mark17
In the dictionary definition of stamina, there must be a picture of Joseph. 😀😆😄

Ever hear of Abraham?

42 posted on 03/22/2017 5:15:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: amorphous
I made the statement in reference to the story of Mary and Joseph, and their ages. which are found NOWHERE in scripture (or any where else; for that matter!)
43 posted on 03/22/2017 5:17:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: amorphous
Don't put words in my mouth.

Rome has no problem with words or intents; why should you?

44 posted on 03/22/2017 5:18:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
In the dictionary definition of stamina, there must be a picture of Joseph. 😀😆😄

Ever hear of Abraham?

Yep, I am sure Abraham's picture would be there too, along with all the rest of the old guys, in the OT, who were having children for 6 or 700 years.
On the other hand, to say that Joseph was 90 years old, and Mary was given to him, is just a load of bunk. We don't know how old he was. The scriptures are silent about it.
I am sure it wasn't the stork who brought Mary's other natural born children to her. She and Joseph did the "evil deed," (sex) and had a bunch of kids, one of which, was James, who I think was the leader of the Jerusalem Church.
Not bad, I would say, for him and his siblings, to be born from a woman who remained a virgin for her entire life. 😀😆😄😃😂

45 posted on 03/22/2017 11:41:30 PM PDT by Mark17 (20 years a USAF Air Traffic Controller, RETIRED. A career that will make you old before your time)
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To: Mark17
Genesis 3:16 

To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
    with painful labor you will give birth to children.




  Of the Second Eve the 'church' says,
“I will make your pains in childbearing non-existant;
    laborless you will give birth to only one child.

And Leviticus 15:19-33 will be a meaningless set of verses.

46 posted on 03/23/2017 2:55:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BipolarBob
Or did I just imagine them?

You're imagining you can take something said in one context and apply it to a wholly divergent subject.

47 posted on 03/23/2017 7:58:28 AM PDT by amorphous
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To: amorphous
something in the canonized scriptures which contradict the story is the context. I found something. If part of the story is spurious then the rest is suspect.
48 posted on 03/23/2017 8:05:23 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I just got done celebrating Black History Month. Obama and Kaepernick are both history. Hurray!)
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To: Elsie; Mark17; Ezekiel; metmom
I am sure it wasn't the stork who brought Mary's other natural born children to her. She and Joseph did the "evil deed," (sex) and had a bunch of kids, one of which, was James, who I think was the leader of the Jerusalem Church. Not bad, I would say, for him and his siblings, to be born from a woman who remained a virgin for her entire life.

From #30

Book of James, or PROTEVANGELIUM Origen mentions the Book of James (and the Gospel of Peter) as stating that the ' brethren of the Lord' were sons of Joseph by a former wife.

That's not to say either above are completely accurate, but it is a source of information on the matter apparently from the 2nd century, and carries for more weight than "some opinion", by someone who doesn't care enough even to research the matter further, and that same someone who would dismisses evidence without a thought.

There may even be other substantiating documents out there, as to the relative ages of Mary and Joseph.

49 posted on 03/23/2017 8:08:12 AM PDT by amorphous
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To: Elsie
Rome has no problem with words or intents; why should you?

Maybe you and Rome aren't searching for the truth as I and others?

50 posted on 03/23/2017 8:10:20 AM PDT by amorphous
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To: BipolarBob
If part of the story is spurious then the rest is suspect.

Of course, but that doesn't prove or disprove anything. The next step is to look for additional evidence which collaborates or disproves the story.

51 posted on 03/23/2017 8:13:47 AM PDT by amorphous
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To: Elsie
Then why didn't the JEWS include it [book of Jasher] in the OT?

Because if YOU had ever read IT, you'd know that it is a very detailed OT, though never affirmed by Jewish scholars, it's a damn good read, and offers quite a bit of insight into areas the OT skips through.

52 posted on 03/23/2017 8:27:23 AM PDT by amorphous
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To: amorphous; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
If you read the accounts in the scriptures I've listed above ( they're not in the KJV, and I'm repeating this from memory, so please don't hold me to complete accuracy ), Mary was a virgin all of her life. She was raised in the temple until the age of 12 or 14 when the priests, afraid of having a young woman roaming the temple and the problems that might cause, gave her to Joseph, a very righteous man and widower of approximately 90 years of age, at the time. Yeshua's siblings were all from Joseph's first wife, according to texts listed above. Mary thru the Holy Spirit conceived around 14-16 years of age. Again, memory fails. Joseph died at well over 100 years of age, but before the Crucifixion. Yeshua was a young man when Joseph died, and at his side when he passed.

You are "remembering" from "Scripture" what does not exist in Scripture, but which is from apocryphal Gospel of James, one of many fake pseudonymous (it lies about being written by James) wannabe gospels, a fantasy which even Catholicism rejects as Scripture despite her idolatrous hyper-"hyperdulia" of their Mary.

Aquinas, responding to the the Protevangelium of James teaching that that midwives were present at Christ's birth, states, "Jerome says (Adv. Helvid. iv): "No midwife was there, no officious women interfered. She was both mother and midwife. 'With swaddling clothes,' says he, 'she wrapped up the child, and laid Him in a manger.'" These words prove the falseness of the apocryphal ravings." (http://www.newadvent.org/summa/4035.htm)

Of course, Aquinas does so because he want to exclude Mary from suffering pain during childbirth, which would mean she was a sinner, which exceeding exception to the norm the Holy Spirit would characteristically, state, as He did with much less notable exceptions to the norm.

There was no 90 year old (which is only in your memory) axe swinging, building contractor, journeying Joseph, or vestal virgin Mary in the temple, but what you are basically remembering is from the Protevangelium of James/Gospel of James, a

"pseudepigraphal (noncanonical and unauthentic) work written about the mid-2nd century ad [possibly composed in Egypt] to enhance the role of Mary, the mother of Jesus, in Christian tradition. TThe story of Mary’s childhood as given in the Protevangelium has no parallel in the New Testament, and reference to a nine-year stay in the Temple of Jerusalem contradicts Jewish customs. - https://www.britannica.com/topic/Protevangelium-of-James

The majority of scholars argue for a non-Jewish milieu given the author’s apparent ignorance of Palestinian geography (e.g., Joseph prepares to depart from Bethlehem to Judea, 21:1) and aspects of Judaism (e.g., Mary’s residency in the Temple and Joachim’s marginalization for childlessness are both suspect, and Mary is said to be of the “tribe of David”). However, the author has sufficient knowledge of the Septuagint to borrow phrares and use its characters as models for Anna and Joachim and, unlike the majority of early Christian writers, he does not portray Jewish leaders negatively. - http://www.tonyburke.ca/wp-content/uploads/dictionary-entry-samples.doc

And besides the fanciful additions, you have real contradictions btwn this and the gospel accounts, as detailed by Bodie Hodge of answersingenesis.org:

Table of some contradictions between The Protoevangelium of James and the Bible:

  Protoevangelium of James4 The Bible
1 Gabriel is called an archangel (Chapter 9:22), which was a common designation for Gabriel in apocryphal literature written after the first century. (For example, see Revelation of Paul, The Book of John Concerning the Falling Asleep of Mary, and The Apocalypse of the Holy Mother of God.) The Bible never identifies Gabriel as an archangel, but Michael is described as an archangel in Jude 1:9. The idea of Gabriel as an archangel seems to be a misconception that began in the second century.
2 Mary’s response to the angel is different than what is recorded in Scripture. “What! Shall I conceive by the living God, and bring forth as all other women do?” (Chapter 9:12).5 [Another translation of this work is available at http://ministries.tliquest.net/theology/apocryphas/nt/protevan.htm. Mary’s reply is rendered differently in this version, in which she replied, “What! By the living God, shall I conceive and bring forth as all other women do?” The angel responded, “Not so, O Mary, but the Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.” This version makes better sense, since the angel corrects her thinking that this would occur via natural means. Walker’s translation (Alexander Walker, Esq., in Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, The Ante-Nicene Fathers,) makes little sense.] Luke 1:34 states, “Then Mary said to the angel, ‘How can this be, since I do not know a man?’”
3 Elizabeth fled the Bethlehem region with her son John (the Baptist) to the mountains because of Herod’s wrath when he decided to kill all the baby boys around and in Bethlehem (Chapter 16:3). Concerning John the Baptist, Luke 1:80 states, “So the child grew and became strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his manifestation to Israel.” It was Joseph, Mary, and Jesus who fled from Bethlehem because of Herod (Matthew 2:13–15).
4 Jesus was born in a cave outside the city of Bethlehem (Chapters 12:11–14:31). Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the town of David, according to Luke 2:4, 11 and Matthew 2:1.
5 The angel of the Lord, when speaking to Joseph in a dream, said to take Mary but does not mention having her as a wife. The priest chastised Joseph and accused him for taking Mary as a wife secretly by the priest. Joseph takes her home but is reluctant to call her his wife when they go to Bethlehem (Chapters 10:17–18, 11:14, 12:2–3). Matthew 1:19 reveals that Joseph was already Mary’s husband (they were betrothed) before the angel visited him in a dream. Matthew 1:24 points out that after the angel visited Joseph, he kept her as his wife.
6 Mary wrapped Jesus in swaddling cloths and hid him in a manger at the inn to keep him from the massacre by Herod’s men (Chapter 16:2). Mary and Joseph were warned of Herod’s plot by an angel, and they fled to Egypt (Matthew 2:13–14).
7 Wise men came to Bethlehem and inquired of Herod where the Child was born (Chapter 21:1–2). Wise men came to Jerusalem to inquire where the child king was (Matthew 2:1). https://answersingenesis.org/bible-characters/is-the-perpetual-virginity-of-mary-a-biblical-view/

Some invoke certain statements from the the Babylonian Talmud (with its superstitions and fables) and or the apocryphal 2 Maccabees for support of temple virgins, neither of which are reliable sources as to what is Scriptural, nor does it make Mary a temple virgin, a vow which would require her father's assent.


53 posted on 03/23/2017 8:38:20 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

Excellent review and summary as to why the Protevangelium of James that so many catholics hang their hat on is to be rejected.


54 posted on 03/23/2017 8:43:28 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: amorphous
The Book of Jasher is also contained in the volume above, mentioned at least twice in the KJV:

Mentioning or even quoting from a historical source, which even can include pagan authors, (Acts 17:28) does not make such all of it Scripture/thus saith the Lord. And besides the false attribution, there are clear contradictions/error in your Gospel of James source.

55 posted on 03/23/2017 8:51:54 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212
Yeah, I believe I explained what I was trying to remember was from scriptures/texts not in the bible, and then went back and corrected the ages as I recalled them from the texts I cited.

The main point being: The ages given for both Mary and Joseph. What's needed is evidence that contradicts those "specific" ages given, something I see as quite striking in itself, otherwise, we're fully aware of the controversy surrounding these texts, and what you've cut and pasted offers nothing toward the above (i.e. the relative ages of Mary and Joseph), other than your attempt to further muddy the waters, that, and your need to spout off.

Upstream, there is mention of texts that support Yeshua's siblings were in fact from Joseph's previous wife. So there is perhaps possible collaboration of Joseph being a bit older than Mary.

56 posted on 03/23/2017 9:04:53 AM PDT by amorphous
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To: daniel1212
Mentioning or even quoting from a historical source, which even can include pagan authors, (Acts 17:28) does not make such all of it Scripture/thus saith the Lord. And besides the false attribution, there are clear contradictions/error in your Gospel of James source.

Well genius, you might want to let authors in the OT, who mention the book of Jasher at least twice, know about that, and also Paul who writes in Timothy that ALL scripture/texts should be used to understand the Word - paraphrasing.

57 posted on 03/23/2017 9:09:44 AM PDT by amorphous
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To: daniel1212; metmom; ealgeone
Mentioning or even quoting from a historical source, which even can include pagan authors, (Acts 17:28) does not make such all of it Scripture/thus saith the Lord.

Thanks Dan, for your post 53. I think Jude quoted from the Apocrypha too, but, as you say, that does not make it scripture. It also contains false doctrines, like purgatory, and salvation by works.
The only REAL purgatory, is a ski resort in Colorado, and salvation is either by grace, or by works, but it is in no way, a combination of the two.
If we were to accept the apocrypha as inspired by God, then the followers of Joe Smith, Charles Taze Russell, and Mary Baker Eddy, would have a case, for considering their writings to be inspired as well, and I don't accept ANY of their writings to be God's words.

58 posted on 03/23/2017 9:16:44 AM PDT by Mark17 (20 years a USAF Air Traffic Controller, RETIRED. A career that will make you old before your time)
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To: amorphous
the Gospel of Peter) as stating that the ' brethren of the Lord' were sons of Joseph by a former wife.

A sound hermeneutic is that unless an exception to the norm is stated, then the norm is to be accepted. The Holy Spirit characteristically records extraordinary aspects of even far less persons in Scripture, from great age (Methuselah), to excess size, fingers (Goliath), hair (Esau) strength (Samson), prolonged celibacy (Anna), diet (John the Baptist), to the supernatural transport of Phillip, the singleness of Paul and Barnabas, and the uncharacteristic duplicity of Peter, and the surpassing labor and suffering of Paul, to the virgin birth of Christ and Him being single and sinless.

But while stating her virgin status before Christ was born, nowhere is Mary stated to be a perpetual virgin.

For while the Spirit specifies that Joseph "knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS," (Matthew 1:25) firstborn normally is used with distinction from latter born, and the Greek for "till" almost always indicates a terminus and change or allowing for it.

In addition, marriage is described from the beginning as sexual cleaving, (Gn. 2:24; Mt. 19:3-5) and there is only one possible exception to that, which was that of a very infirm old man, David, with Bathsheba. (1Kg. 1)

Furthermore, a Messianic prophecy states "I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children," (Psalms 69:8) which corresponds to His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judæa, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest. For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world. For neither did his brethren believe in him. (John 7:3-5)

Here again, there is no warrant or need for reading an exception to the norm, that brethren meant other children of Mary.

And since this would require the assent of her head, then if perpetual Marian virginity (PMV) was the case, and since this would normally be more difficult for the male, then Joseph would deserve more honor.

59 posted on 03/23/2017 9:20:53 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212; metmom
Finally, someone offers good material for discussion concerning virginity, however, again, nothing relative to their relative ages - the main point of the commentary I inserted that resulted in the hijacking of metmom's thread and an explosion of animosity. I do apologize for that. It were but innocent remarks, and I had no ideal such would grow to suck in an enormity of different subjects. :) Such is the love of one Christian for another, I suppose, that none should part misinformed - unto death it would seem. But alas, a faulty oxygen sensor on my mechanical conveyance calls.

Good day sir.

60 posted on 03/23/2017 9:35:13 AM PDT by amorphous
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