should We Still Keep the Commandments?

Westside Christian Fellowshihp ^ | July 20, 2016 | Shane Idleman

[Elsie]

Don't let this happen to you. Read the Bible and let it persuade you.

Darned good advice!

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 Romans 3:20
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

 

Galatians 2:16
Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

[Elsie]

EVERLASTING, FOREVER, PERPETUAL COMMANDS

Given to WHOM??

The Chosen People

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I am a Gentile; to whom a letter of instruction was written in Acts Chapter 5.

Read the Bible and let it persuade you.

[Elsie]

All people are to obey Gods laws and by that I mean the Ten Commandments which commands obedience to the 7th day Sabbath.

Oh?

Is THAT in the bible?

[BipolarBob]

Romans 3:20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

As I've said many times before the Law cannot save. That is not its job. It can only condemn. Nevertheless the Law is perfect (as we must become).

[Elsie]

It appears that you are correct.

[BipolarBob]

If ye love Me keep my commandments. My Bible has it.

[Elsie]

As I've said many times before the Law cannot save.

Then why is it being stressed so much in this thread?

Are we to understand be are SAVED by Grace; but KEPT by Works?

[BipolarBob]

Are we to understand be are SAVED by Grace; but KEPT by Works?

LOL. We are saved by Grace. We should be inspired to please God by following all that is in our knowledge and willpower that will please Him. Paul said "I die daily". He hungered to do more to please God and was less influenced by the charms of this world.

[HarleyD]

All the commandments, every single one of them, are rolled up into just two commandments: 1) Love God with all your heart, soul and mind; and 2) Love your neighbor as yourself.

So, yes, we are to keep the commandments. Whether we do that is another issue. That is why we have the grace of God.

[metmom]

But is the experience of “first love” by which we tell many Christians that you have “eternal peace” (in the sense of a known-security of one’s salvation). Are you saying that the loss of this love has no impact on their salvation?

Nope, because then salvation would be dependent on our efforts and it's not our efforts (or works if you prefer) but God's grace.

When we are born again, we are made new creatures in Christ, died to sin and the Law, and have been transferred into the kingdom of the Son He loves.

God doesn't disown us every time we don't meet standards we have set up for ourselves that we think God has for us.

People have this kind of mentality that if we reach a certain level of spirituality then we are good to go, but EVERYTHING about us is tainted by sin and cannot even come close to God's holy standards and level of holiness.

That we can somehow live a life that is acceptable to Him is an illusion.

And even if we could from this second on, live a life as perfect as Jesus did, it wouldn't be enough because it's already far too late.

One sin is all that it takes to damn us for eternity and the penalty for that sin is death. Doesn't matter if the rest of our lives are perfect. We already aren't and are disqualified for being able to stand in God's presence.

[metmom]

All the commandments, every single one of them, are rolled up into just two commandments: 1) Love God with all your heart, soul and mind; and 2) Love your neighbor as yourself.

So, yes, we are to keep the commandments. Whether we do that is another issue. That is why we have the grace of God.

That's right. If you do those two, the rest will automatically happen.

But the Law was given to us to show us what we do that is NOT loving God our our neighbor with our whole heart.

If we do any of those things, that is not love.

Very simple and basic, but I never saw it in that light before.

[Elsie]

Ah...

...the calendar; and the POWER of those that created it (and modified it)  who lived in the Northern Hemisphere!

 

Our 'NEW' year is slightly off.  Astronomically speaking, it SHOULD start around December 21-22, when the sun starts it's climb back into the higher part of the sky;  (in the North, of course!) and NOT on January 1st.

 

 

 

And; have you ever thought of where the words Clockwise and Counterclockwise came from?

 

The sundial!  The shadow of the gnomen moves from left to right from dawn to dusk: thus clockwise.

 

If the world had been explored and conquered by folks from the south, then our clocks would be MUCH different!!

 

 

 

Clocks would run 'backward' (See sundial above) and the 'new year' would be around June 21-22!!

 

 

(Don't worry; the days of the week would NOT be affecrted and we could STILL be having this in teresting discussion about the Sabbath!!

[daniel1212]

But is the experience of “first love” by which we tell many Christians that you have “eternal peace” (in the sense of a known-security of one’s salvation).

Your first question is unclear, but we understand Christians have Christ as their first love (used in Rv. 2), which results in obedience flowing out from that relationship, and which evidential fruit of obedience, "thing that accompany salvation" (Heb. 6:9) testifies to them possessing eternal life. 1John provides revelation and criteria by which one may know they presently possess eternal life. (1Jn. 5:13)

Are you saying that the loss of this love has no impact on their salvation?

No, it ultimately can have, as seen by my statement that "Scripture also warns of departing from the living, loving God by unbelief, and thus impenitent sinning. (Heb. 3:[6],12; 10:38,39)"

[daniel1212]

and now where is there aNy command ever given under the New Covenant to the church to keep the 7th day Sabbath.

Mark 2:28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. Jesus declares His affiliation with the Sabbath. Luke 4:16 And He came to Nazareth where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and stood up to read. Jesus kept the Sabbath! Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures. This is three consecutive weeks on the Sabbath for those taking note. Matthew 24:20 "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day". This is an event that took place years after the crucifixion. Sounds like it is still valid to me. The Law that God wrote Himself (Ex. 24:12) and spoke Himself (Deut. 4:12,13). You can't go wrong by following Gods own Words, speech or example while on earth. There is NO excuse in the day of judgment. REMEMBER the Sabbath day. The only one with remember in it.

All of which utterly fail to produce any command ever given under the New Covenant to the church to keep the 7th day Sabbath. The Lord also enjoined general obedience to the Scribes and Pharisees, (Mt. 23:2) and kept OT feasts, none of which is binding under the New Covenant, which is distinctively declared to be “Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.." (Jer. 31:32),

Thus akin to Catholics who assume NT Christians did what is nowhere recorded, you assert that the Holy Spirit would fail to record even one example of a NT church (as a church) specifically keeping the 7th day, despite this being such an important practice, while only showing them specifically meeting on the first day, and treating the sabbath as part of the ceremonial law which Christians are not bound to keep. Based upon your failure to rightly divide the word of Truth you and your elitist cult might as well argue that Christians must be circumcised and keep the feasts to be saved.

[delchiante]

Elsie,

It’s written, Ezekiel 46:1,
Thus says the Lord GOD: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day it shall be opened, and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

Elsie, What does Rome say a new moon day is, if it isn’t one of His 6 working days or His Sabbath?

According to Scripture, the day of the new moon isn’t one of His 6 work days or Sabbath.

How does Rome square the Creator’s calendar template having another day, that their calendar doesn’t?

Would it shock Rome that the Word was Made Flesh on one of those days that isn’t one of the Father’s 6 work days or Sabbath?

Maybe that’s why everybody goes with Rome’s truth involving false days like December 25, January 1st, Good Friday, Holy Saturday and Easter Sunday.

They don’t realize the Father has a day every month that isn’t part of His 6 work days or Sabbath.

And it’s that day that points to the Word Made Flesh.

Which is why the world is deceived by satan. Daniel predicted times and laws would change. And darn if Rome isn’t in the middle of it..

For eyes to see..

[BipolarBob]

Gen. 2:2 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
The first Sabbath God instituted.
Luke 4:16 He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read
You can follow Gods example or make up your own rules.
2 Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Peace be unto you

[BipolarBob]

John 14:15 If ye love Me, keep My commandments.
I guess if you love Jesus 90% you keep 9 of His 10 commandments. I'm not sure 90% effort is enough. Adam probably did 99% and we see what happened there. It would be HARD to change from Sunday to Sabbath. It would take effort. You would be ridiculed. Friends and family would look at you in disdain (yes they would). It would take a strong love for Jesus to make that change. The world (and the broad gateway) doesn't go that way. You would have to love Jesus more than the world, popularity, friends or family. That would be difficult. Go back to your tv, your Sunday School Church or your sofa. It's more comfortable and easier there.
YMMV

[onedoug]

Please demonstrate where The Lord’s Prayer makes any internal reference to Christianity.

[BipolarBob]

treating the sabbath as part of the ceremonial law which Christians are not bound to keep.

The Sabbath was never part of the ceremonial law. There were additional sabbaths that were but the 7th day Sabbath commemorating Creation was never part of that. The 7th day Sabbath is part of the TEN (count them) COMMANDMENTS (not suggestions).
Where is the LAW stating the first day of the week must be kept holy?

[BipolarBob]

What an odd request.
The prayer starts out acknowledging God as in Heaven and Holy. It has anticipation of His Kingdom coming to this earth and that His will shall be practiced. It asks that our daily needs be met while we live our life. It calls for the strength to forgive others as we are forgiven. It calls on God directly to help us avoid the evil pitfalls (that Satan will send our way).
What exactly were you looking for? What was missing?